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Re:Google illegally spied on workers before firing them, US ... by Broken_Hippo on Wednesday December 02, 2020 @04:48PM (#25282112)
It sounds like he didn't just ask for a contract change: He simply crossed it out and expected them to take it.

I'm honestly surprised people do that. I always go with the assumption that a job offer comes with the implication that you agree to the legal stuff as you are signing it: If you don't, you have refused the job. If you don't agree to something that has been updated, you have quit. The only thing that might actually protects you in the last scenario is something like a job contract, but a lot of places in the states simply don't have them for everyone.

Re:Google illegally spied on workers before firing them, US ... by silverpepsi on Wednesday December 02, 2020 @05:19PM (#25282487)
Haven't you ever thought it odd that the document is entirely authored on one end and hence entirely nothing but a list of terms advantageous to one party? From this perspective, a single deletion is a pathic barely countable concession at best.

Imagine B2B contracts were written this way...whatever company has the bigger ego authors every last word and walks away the moment a detail is questioned. You could only afford negotiation tactics at that abuse level if you literally have customers begging it the alter of death to buy your product at a willingness to surrender all in order to make it happen. Plus they would sign but still hate you can hope to end the relationship with 0 loyalty the moment an alternative appeared on the market.

Re:Google illegally spied on workers before firing them, US ... by dodobirdlord on Thursday December 03, 2020 @03:44AM (#25286912)
> entirely nothing but a list of terms advantageous to one party

The obvious counterpoint is that usually a job offer involves getting paid.

Re:Google illegally spied on workers before firing them, US ... by modo_mario on Thursday December 03, 2020 @04:50AM (#25287344)
Which is why people take the job but which doesn't relate much to a large part of the negotiation being rigged in favour of one party.

You could say the same about when the Silicon Valley salary cartel was uncovered. "yeah it's anticompetitive and negatively impacts workers but,....but these companies offer you food at work and comfortable workplace and all that."

Re:Google illegally spied on workers before firing them, US ... by clairity on Thursday December 03, 2020 @11:39AM (#25290758)
the company gets value often many times the employee's compensation, so it's a value exchange. it's entirely valid to negotiate the terms of that exchange. what's not valid is tolerating, even encouraging, the highly asymmetric negotiating positions between corporation and individual.
Re:Google illegally spied on workers before firing them, US ... by waheoo on Wednesday December 02, 2020 @06:15PM (#25283085)
This is essentially the same outcome.

They start relationships with everyone poorly and they pay the price.

There is a reason stuff like the danmore debacle can even happen.

They're a huge echo chamber.

Re:Google illegally spied on workers before firing them, US ... by ardy42 on Wednesday December 02, 2020 @05:35PM (#25282672)
> It sounds like he didn't just ask for a contract change: He simply crossed it out and expected them to take it.

I believe that's how one typically asks for contract changes.

https://blog.pandadoc.com/what-is-contract-redlining-and-con...:

> The term “redlining” commonly refers to the editing and negotiation process during document and business contract management where contributors mark text and track changes collaboratively. As part of the redlining process, one party receives the document and makes additions or annotations, and the redlined text will appear in a special color so the other party (or parties) can easily track changes without needing to spend time searching for modifications.

Re:Google illegally spied on workers before firing them, US ... by waheoo on Wednesday December 02, 2020 @06:17PM (#25283110)
That is exactly how it works.

I've changed every contract I've ever signed like this.

Usually those bullshit lines about employer owning all code I write, even on the weekend type stuff.

I've only had to walk from one job over it. Bullet dodged.

Re:Google illegally spied on workers before firing them, US ... by eikenberry on Wednesday December 02, 2020 @07:49PM (#25283876)
I've done this as well, though I only needed to once. They didn't even look at the contract I turned in. Just slapped it in a file and went on with things. Never came up again.
Re:Google illegally spied on workers before firing them, US ... by biggc on Wednesday December 02, 2020 @09:52PM (#25284727)
Don't both parties need to agree to (e.g initial) the redlined sections?
Re:Google illegally spied on workers before firing them, US ... by ardy42 on Friday December 04, 2020 @12:21AM (#25299287)
If you make the changes and they sign (or maybe even just signal acceptance), then I think they accepted them.
Re:Google illegally spied on workers before firing them, US ... by JMTQp8lwXL on Wednesday December 02, 2020 @05:22PM (#25282525)
They assumed his assumption. Waltzing in and saying "Hey, I made this change", discussing it, and saying "okay, it seems we are aligned" is all part of the negotiation dance. G would have every right to ponder his suggestion for a few days, then respond to it.

We don't reject candidates for asking for more compensation; this should've been treated the same way. G could've said, "Sorry, we don't wish to change that contract term. What else can we do?" but, per the story, they pulled the plug entirely.

Re:Google illegally spied on workers before firing them, US ... by Broken_Hippo on Wednesday December 02, 2020 @06:10PM (#25283032)
Asking or negotiating is different: Crossing something out and handing it back isn't the same.
Re:Google illegally spied on workers before firing them, US ... by dannyw on Wednesday December 02, 2020 @08:02PM (#25283967)
I think you’re unaware with the way contract negotiations are done, because crossing it out and handing it back is exactly how the business world negotiated contracts.

For small changes it’s more polite than wasting time with preambles and introductory emails.

Re:Google illegally spied on workers before firing them, US ... by JMTQp8lwXL on Wednesday December 02, 2020 @07:40PM (#25283818)
Asking is part of the activity that is negotiating. You might verbally asking for the change, and then specifically outline the additions and removals with a pen on the contract itself.