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Re:Google illegally spied on workers before firing them, US ... by giantg2 on Wednesday December 02, 2020 @03:21PM (#25281047)
"...presumably you couldn't stick such notices just anywhere."

Nor use company resources/infrastructure to distribute it.

Re:Google illegally spied on workers before firing them, US ... by Miner49er on Wednesday December 02, 2020 @03:38PM (#25281244)
Actually, when she was fired, this was not the case. The NLRB ruled a day or two after she went public about being fired that company communications couldn't be used for this type of thing. Before that companies had to allow it.

https://www.post-gazette.com/business/career-workplace/2019/...

Re:Google illegally spied on workers before firing them, US ... by giantg2 on Wednesday December 02, 2020 @03:44PM (#25281340)
Ah, so this was before they amended the rule allowing communication to be restricted.

I wonder what the restrictions were before. It specifically says emails were allowed. But I wonder if a person maintaining an intranet site could post a banner on it with the same message. I'm guessing not since it isn't designed for that type of communication. I'm not sure where the plugin would fall. Seems like the message didn't fit the intended plugin scope.

Re:Google illegally spied on workers before firing them, US ... by Miner49er on Wednesday December 02, 2020 @03:51PM (#25281445)
Yeah, hard to say, one could certainly make an argument that it did fall under that though. It would need to be decided in court.
Re:Google illegally spied on workers before firing them, US ... by giantg2 on Wednesday December 02, 2020 @04:04PM (#25281608)
How could that message, on that site, fall into the scope of the plugin? I could maybe see if it was a site that employees were actually using it to perform concerted activities. If the firm was hired by the company, then they can't also represent the workers. Thus, what could employees do on that site for concerted activities?

I would also guess the plugin only covers prohibited use and does not cover allowed uses (ie does the plugin say you have 1st ammendment rights when visiting Facebook?). I doubt the documentation states that the plugin shall provide users with their rights. It probably says something like the purpose is to provide users with policy or law information related to the site they are visiting so they don't break the law/policy.

Re:Google illegally spied on workers before firing them, US ... by esrauch on Friday December 04, 2020 @03:15PM (#25307182)
Is it even the case that you are legally protected when you inform you coworkers that they have constitutional rights? I would have assumed only informing them of workplace rights specifically would be protected.
Re:Google illegally spied on workers before firing them, US ... by giantg2 on Sunday December 06, 2020 @09:24AM (#25323626)
Only if it's a concerted effort to improve the workplace and even then it depends on how it is accomplished.

The message merely stated that employees have the right to organize. Without additional context, I don't see how that is a concerted effort to improve the workplace. There would have to be a "unionize to improve health coverage, or wages, etc" type message. Otherwise, I could just stand at my desk all day and tell people as they walk by that they have the right to free speech, to own a gun, and protections from unreasonable searches, etc. It's not a concerted effort to make the workplace better, so it doesn't matter if I'm telling people about their rights (not to mention I would not be doing my job while on the clock).

Using a plugin to communicate that message is likely a subversion of it's intended purpose and would be inappropriate - similar to if she were maintaining the company intranet site and posted a banner with that information. They aren't mediums for individual communication (such as email or chat apps) but rather for company-to-employee messaging and for the sole use of the company. In this case, she misused company-to-employee infrastructure outside of its scope for her own communication purposes.

Re:Google illegally spied on workers before firing them, US ... by black_puppydog on Wednesday December 02, 2020 @03:29PM (#25281138)
I really hope you're not making an infrastructure cost argument here. Would be kind of laughable.
Re:Google illegally spied on workers before firing them, US ... by giantg2 on Wednesday December 02, 2020 @03:40PM (#25281272)
Cost wouldn't matter. The idea is that you can't use the company's resources for your personal projects, especially if that project is being used against them. So let's say you want to put up a single flyer about unionizing. You can do that in the appropriate area, such as off the company property or potentially on a bulletin board in the break room. What you can't do is type it up while on the clock and print it on the company's printer.
Re:Google illegally spied on workers before firing them, US ... by black_puppydog on Wednesday December 02, 2020 @03:52PM (#25281463)
The other way (and it seems the NLRB sees it this way too) is that she didn't materially hurt google by doing so, and on the flipside used this system to make sure that laws are known and can be followed.

This is (a bit) like google buying property around polling stations and then preventing anyone from passing through to vote. They're not hurting google by passing through, but they keep shouting "get off my land!" Why would we let them weaponize property law to prevent others from enforcing their rights vis-a-vis google?

Re:Google illegally spied on workers before firing them, US ... by giantg2 on Wednesday December 02, 2020 @04:16PM (#25281765)
Did she make the change on company time? If so, her wages would be material damage. Even if made off the clock, it could still be considered material because Google needs to pay someone to fix it.

Your voting/property analogy is completely off-base. It completely ignores right of ways and public property. And if you have people actually trespassing on private property on the way to a polling place then they are in violation of the law and can be cited. I see no legal way that you can "weaponize" property law to prevent access to a polling location. Also, there's nothing stopping employees from exercising their right to concerted efforts off company time and property.

Re:Google illegally spied on workers before firing them, US ... by the-rc on Wednesday December 02, 2020 @07:17PM (#25283644)
I think the far more substantial damage is from Google customers wondering what else the employee or some malicious insider could have done. You can bet that this came up in internal audits and customers' security assessments.