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Re:TSMC confirms 3nm tech for 2022, could enable epic 80B tr... by runeks on Wednesday December 02, 2020 @10:25AM (#25277125)
If TSMC are smart they will reserve some capacity for AMD, in order to keep AMD as a customer. Apple has no alternative, so no reason to give Apple exclusive access (unless Apple pays a ton for it).
Re:TSMC confirms 3nm tech for 2022, could enable epic 80B tr... by ogre_codes on Wednesday December 02, 2020 @11:45AM (#25278191)
> Apple has no alternative, so no reason to give Apple exclusive access

Likely billions of reasons. It's likely Apple pays a significant premium to get that capacity.

AMD might not even mind this arrangement. Apple is essentially funding these die shrinks and AMD benefits down the road.

Re:TSMC confirms 3nm tech for 2022, could enable epic 80B tr... by sq_ on Wednesday December 02, 2020 @08:52PM (#25284313)
> AMD might not even mind this arrangement. Apple is essentially funding these die shrinks and AMD benefits down the road.

Agree with that. AMD is doing amazingly well with just architectural improvements for Zen 3, so I’d bet they’re plenty happy to just let everyone else work out the kinks in 5nm before they hop on in a year or so.

Re:TSMC confirms 3nm tech for 2022, could enable epic 80B tr... by tomerico on Wednesday December 02, 2020 @01:12PM (#25279357)
Apple is the one company that has proven itself as extremely capable of going more vertical when it is unhappy with its suppliers. This could be a case where if they don’t fulfill apple’s requests, they could lose Apple completely long term.
Re:TSMC confirms 3nm tech for 2022, could enable epic 80B tr... by sudosysgen on Wednesday December 02, 2020 @02:39PM (#25280551)
Apple isn't going to be replacing TSMC. It would take a few hundred billion dollars of investment at best.
Re:TSMC confirms 3nm tech for 2022, could enable epic 80B tr... by theandrewbailey on Wednesday December 02, 2020 @02:54PM (#25280746)
Apple has deep enough pockets. They could stomach it.
Re:TSMC confirms 3nm tech for 2022, could enable epic 80B tr... by SubjectToChange on Wednesday December 02, 2020 @05:43PM (#25282747)
There is absolutely no way Apple would build their own foundry. You are talking about a yearly investment of five to ten billion dollars, not to mention how long it'd take to actually make it production ready.

Technical problems aside, Apple's stakeholders would fire the entire board if they approved something like that.

Re:TSMC confirms 3nm tech for 2022, could enable epic 80B tr... by jskajakzkjx on Thursday December 03, 2020 @01:13PM (#25292312)
I don’t think shareholders would be very happy to have that money spent on capex instead of paying dividends.
Re:TSMC confirms 3nm tech for 2022, could enable epic 80B tr... by sudosysgen on Wednesday December 02, 2020 @03:07PM (#25280902)
I'm not convinced the advantage it might or might not conter would be worth hundreds of billions of dollars.
Re:TSMC confirms 3nm tech for 2022, could enable epic 80B tr... by gonzo on Wednesday December 02, 2020 @01:21PM (#25279490)
This.

Nobody thought Apple would make its own CPUs (SoCs, really.)

Apple is going vertical.

Re:TSMC confirms 3nm tech for 2022, could enable epic 80B tr... by mensetmanusman on Wednesday December 02, 2020 @02:04PM (#25280063)
Apple is vertical in design (IP, software) not manufacturing.
Re:TSMC confirms 3nm tech for 2022, could enable epic 80B tr... by thoughtsimple on Wednesday December 02, 2020 @02:57PM (#25280784)
As far as I know, Apple doesn't manufacture anything. All manufacturing is outsourced. So it isn't likely that they will want to build a fab for several 10's of billions of dollars even thought they probably could.
Re:TSMC confirms 3nm tech for 2022, could enable epic 80B tr... by ashtonkem on Wednesday December 02, 2020 @11:37AM (#25278099)
Or, use all that Apple money and build more capacity. Perhaps even try to get money out of the US federal government in exchange for an agreement to build new factories in the lower 48.
Re:TSMC confirms 3nm tech for 2022, could enable epic 80B tr... by frakkingcylons on Wednesday December 02, 2020 @12:12PM (#25278582)
TSMC has announced they will build a 10nm fab in Arizona. But strategically speaking, Taiwan has an interest in keeping the latest and greatest fabs in Taiwan. It’s an incentive to keep the US invested in their defense.
Re:TSMC confirms 3nm tech for 2022, could enable epic 80B tr... by baybal2 on Wednesday December 02, 2020 @06:23PM (#25283180)
You don't need latest, and greatest process to make chips for missiles.
Re:TSMC confirms 3nm tech for 2022, could enable epic 80B tr... by austinprete on Wednesday December 02, 2020 @08:16PM (#25284062)
Sure, but you might need it to keep several trillion dollars of GDP afloat and ensure economic stability, which is a precursor for national security.
Re:TSMC confirms 3nm tech for 2022, could enable epic 80B tr... by szundi on Wednesday December 02, 2020 @01:58PM (#25279965)
And a good incentive now that Intel loses ground slowly.