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Re:Pfizer Covid vaccine approved for use next week in UK by fabian2k on Wednesday December 02, 2020 @03:33AM (#25274401)
You have to compare the risks to the risks of the disease and the likelyhood of contracting that disease. And for COVID-19 the risks are very high. It doesn't make much sense to me to trade the very high known risks of COVID-19 against the relatively low risk of rare side effects in a vaccine. These vaccines have been tested in ~40,000 people each, so we do know quite a bit about their safety.

The fatality rate of COVID-19 and the rate of serious complications is high enough that it easily dwarfs the chance of any potential rare side effects of the vaccines.

Re:Pfizer Covid vaccine approved for use next week in UK by SifJar on Wednesday December 02, 2020 @04:18AM (#25274743)
> These vaccines have been tested in ~40,000 people each, so we do know quite a bit about their safety.

We know quite a bit about their short term safety. It's impossible to know for sure if there is any long term side effect. But that is probably a risk we have to take to get past the immediate threat of covid-19.

Re:Pfizer Covid vaccine approved for use next week in UK by anthonypasq on Wednesday December 02, 2020 @10:46AM (#25277373)
vaccines pretty much never have long term side effects
Re:Pfizer Covid vaccine approved for use next week in UK by parliament32 on Wednesday December 02, 2020 @02:47PM (#25280662)
Re:Pfizer Covid vaccine approved for use next week in UK by grillvogel on Wednesday December 02, 2020 @04:34PM (#25281954)
so because other unrelated vaccines that have existed for a long time and known to have no long term side effects, we should assume that this brand new vaccine has no long term side effects?
Re:Pfizer Covid vaccine approved for use next week in UK by waihtis on Wednesday December 02, 2020 @03:58AM (#25274606)
True, there may be a serious tendency of overweighing small probabilities and underweighing large ones in play here.
Re:Pfizer Covid vaccine approved for use next week in UK by svrb on Wednesday December 02, 2020 @03:34PM (#25281208)
> And for COVID-19 the risks are very high.

Do you have an actual source for that? People keep repeating it over and over but I've seen no evidence that COVID-19 carries particularly high risk compared to other infectious diseases.

Re:Pfizer Covid vaccine approved for use next week in UK by grillvogel on Wednesday December 02, 2020 @01:06PM (#25279269)
the risks of covid are very low for ~99% of the population

IMO the risks of an rushed new vaccine are much higher

Re:Pfizer Covid vaccine approved for use next week in UK by jMyles on Wednesday December 02, 2020 @10:54AM (#25277497)
> And for COVID-19 the risks are very high.

If this is indeed the point of contention - balancing the risk of adverse outcomes from a rushed vaccine vs those from a virus, I think it's inaccurate to say that the risks from this virus, understood generally across the population, are "very high". The likelihood of contracting it is of course very high, but the risk of adverse effects are only high for a relatively small stratum of the population.

It makes sense to reserve "very high" for pathogens like HIV or Ebola, not SARS-CoV-2. For a very large majority of the population, SARS-CoV-2 has approximately equal risk to the four seasonally circulating coronaviruses, so even a small risk from an overlooked data point might be significant.

We need to reach herd immunity one way or another, so I'm not sure the discussion of individual risk is the right one. With no data being available for patients to examine ourselves, it's hard to even know how to make these decisions.