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Re:Unilever to try out four-day working week in New Zealand by perfunctory on Tuesday December 01, 2020 @07:27AM (#25264573)
Hack, according to Keynes we are supposed to be working 15-hour weeks by now. Four-day week is well overdue.

http://www.econ.yale.edu/smith/econ116a/keynes1.pdf

Re:Unilever to try out four-day working week in New Zealand by sdoering on Tuesday December 01, 2020 @08:13AM (#25264797)
Why should we now work 15 hours a week?

Companies have found that it is much more rewarding to keep workers working 40 hours (in Europe) or more (many parts of the world, including the US) or more, and to translate the productivity gains into bonuses for top management, dividends for shareholders and increased share prices (for shareholders and top management) [1].

Without the necessary regulation, this process will not be significantly altered either, in my opinion. I firmly believe that hardly any (large) company will be prepared to significantly improve conditions for employees without external pressure - at the expense of shareholder value.

For example, it is perfectly normal for a company like Accenture to pay a 10% higher dividend for the past fiscal year, while dismissing 5% of its employees worldwide. We don't even have to dream of wage increases for employees in the 10% range here. And ACN is just one example because I happen to know the numbers right now.

What company increases its employees' wages by the same amount as it increases the dividend for shareholders? I hardly know of any company that does that.

[1]: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=development+productivity+wages+us&...

Re:Unilever to try out four-day working week in New Zealand by romeo88 on Tuesday December 01, 2020 @08:37AM (#25264963)
This is not bad in itself. It's just the first step in the market evolution. Given a free market (barriers aside) an equilibrium will be found sooner or later, but this step needs to happen first.
Re:Unilever to try out four-day working week in New Zealand by coldpie on Tuesday December 01, 2020 @08:51AM (#25265077)
Talking about a free market with perfectly informed, rational actors is like talking about perfect, frictionless spheres in a vacuum in physics. It's fine for theorizing, but useless once you're building things in the real world.
Re:Unilever to try out four-day working week in New Zealand by sdoering on Tuesday December 01, 2020 @09:40AM (#25265534)
If every employee knew what all other employees earn, what their training is, what their workload is and what degree of productivity they have, as well as the return on investment generated by their own labor force.

And, what this would mean in comparison with other employers (i.e. comparative salaries, etc), we could think about whether we can speak of an (ideal) free market. To do so, the possibilities to change the company as well as the actual profession would have to be transparent and open.

In addition, most theories on the free market also assume rational actors. Which has been sufficiently refuted as a model of reality.

But even this would not be the problem if the basic assumptions above were fulfilled. But in most cases they are not. I do not know what the colleague next to me earns. I don't know how much ROI my employer gets with my work performance and I certainly don't have the chance to get analogous data to other companies in the market. In addition, as an employee I am also very much tied to the local area due to family situations and therefore cannot act like capital on the free market worldwide.

All in all, in this "game" of the employee is always the weaker market participant - which is why, for example, there are facilities and institutions in consumer markets that protect the consumer, because there is an imbalance in information.

For this reason there is (at least in Germany) state intervention in the employee market just as there are trade unions or works councils. There are analogous instruments in many markets worldwide - to create a counterweight to the imbalance of information and power.

Re:Unilever to try out four-day working week in New Zealand by nickpp on Tuesday December 01, 2020 @08:59AM (#25265139)
We always use imperfect approximations to model real-world processes to great benefits. The map is not the territory but its still pretty damn useful.
Re:Unilever to try out four-day working week in New Zealand by coldpie on Tuesday December 01, 2020 @09:38AM (#25265503)
Observe how often people say "in a free market" to justify specific, real-world policy.
Re:Unilever to try out four-day working week in New Zealand by newsclues on Tuesday December 01, 2020 @08:42AM (#25265008)
Why would we expect a not free market to behave as a free market?
Re:Unilever to try out four-day working week in New Zealand by runawaybottle on Tuesday December 01, 2020 @07:56AM (#25264705)
I feel like the blue collar economy is still dictating the reality of the white collar economy. They work service hours where you have to literally be somewhere for a shift. That is what is defining the standard for other types of work in a misguided fashion. It took a global pandemic to have companies come to their senses (by sheer force) to make remote work a first class citizen. Change is too slow because we’re tied to antiquated concepts.

Why are some professions doing a shift? Does your software open at 8am and then close up for the night at 5pm? If so, then yeah you need shift workers. If not, then please, just stop it.

Re:Unilever to try out four-day working week in New Zealand by Noos on Tuesday December 01, 2020 @09:58AM (#25265705)
...you really want to be on call 24 hours a day? Because that is what you are asking for.

The shifts are good for you, because they limit the times when work can command your presence and force businesses to hire multiple people to staff the day. Remote work is already showing the flaws of the reverse, because now people have issues separating work and real life since there is no clearly modeled time delineation any more.

Re:Unilever to try out four-day working week in New Zealand by benibela on Tuesday December 01, 2020 @08:30AM (#25264916)
Many libraries (the book kind) turn their webpage catalogue off for the night and turn it back on in the morning
Re:Unilever to try out four-day working week in New Zealand by tokai on Tuesday December 01, 2020 @08:50AM (#25265074)
Never heard of this. Could you give an example of a library that does this?
Re:Unilever to try out four-day working week in New Zealand by benibela on Tuesday December 01, 2020 @09:12AM (#25265269)
This one in Germany: https://webopac.stadtbibliothek-aachen.de/libero/WebOpac.cls...

And probably all that use such a webopac system

Re:Unilever to try out four-day working week in New Zealand by tokai on Tuesday December 01, 2020 @09:26AM (#25265408)
ah interesting. Up here in DK its been the opposite the last decade. With patrons being able to access the physical library out of hours.
Re:Unilever to try out four-day working week in New Zealand by elindbe2 on Wednesday December 02, 2020 @10:13AM (#25277024)
Most of us decently paid professionals could do something like that, whether it's working 15 hour weeks (might be hard to find something like that ) or working a contract for a few months each year or just quitting after working 37.5% of a normal career. That's my plan.

It would be especially possible if you lived similarly to how average people did in Keynes' day: e.g. smaller housing, limited car ownership, home cooked meals, simple hobbies. The beauty of it is you still can take advantage of new tech because it has become so cheap.

Re:Unilever to try out four-day working week in New Zealand by icedchai on Wednesday December 02, 2020 @10:37PM (#25285063)
We kind of do, we just pretend to work the other 25. Or fill it with garbage, like pointless meetings, etc. My ideal job would be ~20 hours/week.