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Re:Vitamin D insufficiency may account for almost 90% of Cov... by g42gregory on Monday November 30, 2020 @11:20PM (#25262269)
I think that easy and inexpensive treatment methods are getting very skeptical reception by the medical community. My sense is that this is the training from the medical school, which in turn, is influenced (to a degree of course) by the pharmaceutical companies.
Re:Vitamin D insufficiency may account for almost 90% of Cov... by jnotwell on Tuesday December 01, 2020 @12:52AM (#25262757)
The success of dexamethasone [1], compared to the increasingly conflicted results of remdesivir [2], argues against this view.

[1] https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2021436 [2] https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/10/16/th...

Re:Vitamin D insufficiency may account for almost 90% of Cov... by themihai on Monday November 30, 2020 @11:50PM (#25262434)
I think the inexpensive treatments are abused by many different actors because they carry little or no cost to develop, thus there is reason a to be sceptical. For example you can find a lot of supplements that claim to cure various cancers and many have been proven to have no effect. People even claim that objects or they by themselves cure diseases.

If not much money or effort has been put into a 'treatment' you have reasons to sceptical, don't you think? It's like working in the financial services and someone is trying to sell you a $10 e-book that will make you rich in 1 year. It could do the trick but I bet you would be sceptical.

Testing/clinical trials usually cost a lot and even if the treatment it's not great, at least you have some hard data that you can rely on.

Re:Vitamin D insufficiency may account for almost 90% of Cov... by treeman79 on Tuesday December 01, 2020 @01:04AM (#25262822)
Suffered horrific migraines for years. Was using injections that costs thousands.

My routine these days? Magnesium, Vit D, and massaging TMJ joint.

Diet helps a lot too.

Cure cancer, no. Help various issues, often.

Re:Vitamin D insufficiency may account for almost 90% of Cov... by sponaugle on Tuesday December 01, 2020 @10:54AM (#25266220)
I had a similar success with taking magnesium to control restless leg syndrome. As some people no doubt remember there are a few speciality drugs ( which you see TV commercials about) that are designed to treat RLS, but I have found that regular magnesium supplementation works very well. I have even done a few inadvertent 'tests' by forgetting to take it with me when I travel that has reinforced the role it has in helping my RLS.
Re:Vitamin D insufficiency may account for almost 90% of Cov... by audiometry on Tuesday December 01, 2020 @02:41AM (#25263253)
Yep. I noticed that concurrently with regularly taking magnesium (for other reasons) my semi-regular (5/year?) effectively vanished. Not sure it’s causal but I don’t care — they’re gone.
Re:Vitamin D insufficiency may account for almost 90% of Cov... by 0_____0 on Tuesday December 01, 2020 @01:47AM (#25263028)
What was the process by which you found your self-treatment regimen? I've heard of magnesium's role with muscle clenching, what do the other things do?
Re:Vitamin D insufficiency may account for almost 90% of Cov... by treeman79 on Tuesday December 01, 2020 @07:39AM (#25264627)
Had a LOT of muscle aches. Took it for a few weeks. Aches went away. Mostly stopped taking it.repeat every few months.

Later on I started hearing from many sources to try it for migraines.

Realized my migraines had been ebbing and worsening a lot. Got serous about taking it. About A 50% reduction In severity. Had multi hour ones 7 days a week. Can’t walk kind.

Dentist suggested a mouth guard for TMJ. I looked up videos on it. Found a massage one, found a bad trigger point. 3 days later it eased up. Poof migraines almost completely gone.

I tried basically everything.

Elimination diet to find troublesome foods, etc. Prism glasses, etc

Too much for here

Re:Vitamin D insufficiency may account for almost 90% of Cov... by 0_____0 on Thursday December 03, 2020 @08:40PM (#25297979)
I have a clenching issue so this is useful info, thanks! I'm going to look more into the massage thing especially.
Re:Vitamin D insufficiency may account for almost 90% of Cov... by bserge on Tuesday December 01, 2020 @03:35AM (#25263529)
The thing is, this is very personal. No one knows you better than yourself.

I wish people were allowed to just experiment with different solutions. Sign a paper saying that you take full responsibility and they're not obligated to treat you and that's it.

Some people live in areas that good doctors left a long time ago.

Re:Vitamin D insufficiency may account for almost 90% of Cov... by marcus_holmes on Tuesday December 01, 2020 @05:50AM (#25264136)
this. Human bodies are different in subtle ways. Medical trials exclude outlier results, for good reasons. But if you're an outlier then it matters.
Re:Vitamin D insufficiency may account for almost 90% of Cov... by refurb on Tuesday December 01, 2020 @02:45AM (#25263280)
How do you know your migraines wouldn’t have gone away without your self treatment?

I mean, there are cases of cancers that resolve on their own.

That’s why we don’t make medical decisions based off anecdotes.

Re:Vitamin D insufficiency may account for almost 90% of Cov... by weego on Tuesday December 01, 2020 @03:09AM (#25263393)
I'm not sure what value you think your point has, especially as the OP wasn't attempting to detail their entire medical history.

Yes it could just disappear, but for some migraines are a chronic issue and the meds for it are preventative and not a cure.

I'm not sure if you've dealt with chronic illnesses but I can tell you from experience that a lot of us regularly attempt to come off our meds to see if anything has changed 'underneath' the drugs, as often the drugs have other side effects that make it hard to tell what's really going on.

It's highly likely then that the OP has indeed tested to see whether their migraines have just gone.

It's also odd when people defiantly state that we don't make medical decisions based on anecdotes when clearly all medical decisions were once anecdotes that were then tested for efficacy and became best practice.

The most clear recent example of medicine catching up with annecdoatal evodence for me is severe epileptic using diet manipulation to manage their condition when prescription medicine did little to nothing as a preventative.

Re:Vitamin D insufficiency may account for almost 90% of Cov... by refurb on Tuesday December 01, 2020 @07:39AM (#25264629)
I'm certainly not arguing against trying different treatments and self-experimentation. If had a chronic illness I'd do the same.

I'm arguing against the experience of anyone person being applicable to anyone other than that one person. That why we have the FDA and randomized controlled trials. There are so many confounding factors that unless you test a treatment under very strict conditions, there is a very good chance you observed is completely unrelated to the treatment. Hell, drug manufacturers run trials and fall into that trap all the time.

Re:Vitamin D insufficiency may account for almost 90% of Cov... by treeman79 on Tuesday December 01, 2020 @07:30AM (#25264583)
I can test migraines easily. Walk into Walmart or Target, or my old office.

10 minutes and I have a full blown migraine. (Lights)

If I’ve been solid with magnesium that time goes to an hour or two.

FL-41 lenses will add an hour to time as well.

Many other triggers, but light is the most consistent for me.

Re:Vitamin D insufficiency may account for almost 90% of Cov... by DoreenMichele on Tuesday December 01, 2020 @03:23AM (#25263468)
You can search my comment history under both this handle and Mz. It goes back more than 11 years.

I've spent nearly 20 years getting better when that's supposed to be impossible. I've done so while dirt poor and even homeless for several years. What I've spent to get better is a drop in the bucket compared to the millions my condition is supposed to cost under conventional treatment while merely slowing your slow, gruesome, torturous death.

No one's interested and I've been thrown off of various forums over the years and been openly hated on and called a liar, teller of tall tales and insane.

No wants it because no one will get rich off of it. No one wants it because I'm a former homemaker, not a physician or scientist. And no doubt several other reasons, none of which I can really fathom.

The world basically agrees with you, turns a blind eye to any and all evidence to the contrary and actively tries to silence people like me.

Re:Vitamin D insufficiency may account for almost 90% of Cov... by legulere on Tuesday December 01, 2020 @02:26AM (#25263186)
I think it’s more about prescription drugs versus otc drugs.

Prescription drugs need a prescription because they have potentially dangerous side effects. Often you don’t get a wanted effect without potential side effects.

OTC drugs are usually extremely cheap (hence why you could think the medical community dislikes cheap medication). The fact that you don’t need a medical professional to get them makes them a target for the alternative medicine crowd.

In the end it’s also the fault of patients for simply asking for simple cures. My doctor uses every occasion to tell me that I should do more sports, but that would mean that I would actually need to put effort in my health.

Re:Vitamin D insufficiency may account for almost 90% of Cov... by bserge on Tuesday December 01, 2020 @03:32AM (#25263510)
> Prescription drugs need a prescription because they have potentially dangerous side effects

Or, more likely, someone just decided they should be prescription only. Why are melatonin, gabapentin, piracetam prescription only? Paracetamol will kill you in the right dosage, yet it's OTC. Hell, you can overdose on vitamins and minerals/metals, too.

It's like a game for the industry, at the expense of a minority who have to suffer from only having access to bad doctors.

Re:Vitamin D insufficiency may account for almost 90% of Cov... by wang_li on Tuesday December 01, 2020 @03:14PM (#25269337)
Metformin? Melatonin is otc.
Re:Vitamin D insufficiency may account for almost 90% of Cov... by refurb on Tuesday December 01, 2020 @02:43AM (#25263267)
No. It’s skepticism of easy and expensive treatments that have limited to no data to support the claim.
Re:Vitamin D insufficiency may account for almost 90% of Cov... by zackees on Tuesday December 01, 2020 @12:41AM (#25262696)
Also - big tech is coming out against vitamin supplementation with their creepy censorship:

Example of YouTube saying they will ban vit. c videos using the "misinformation" label: https://twitter.com/i/status/1252676099169038337

Vit. c is known to be a potent immune booster. So this is a real head scratcher.

Re:Vitamin D insufficiency may account for almost 90% of Cov... by Fishysoup on Tuesday December 01, 2020 @12:58AM (#25262794)
There's no such thing as an "immune booster". The immune system is incredibly complex and nuanced, and there isn't a knob (or 10) that you can tweak to turn it up or down. It exists in a continuum of largely understood configurations, and it can learn and adapt (not always with good results). If anything, "boosting" it as in turning up immune activity is usually terrible (think auto-immune disorders, inflammation, cancer).

The "misinformation" people are battling is about a) unsubstantiated health claims and b) the fact that supplement manufacturers don't need to provide any evidence or follow any regulations regarding what's actually in the supplements. That means they can say they're selling e.g. Vitamin C but it's just sugar.

John Oliver has a good video on it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WA0wKeokWUU

Re:Vitamin D insufficiency may account for almost 90% of Cov... by zackees on Tuesday December 01, 2020 @08:02PM (#25272121)
> There's no such thing as an "immune booster".

Yes, there is. You could have done a quick search on Google Scholar to confirm this, example:

A mathematical model showing the potential of vitamin c to boost the innate immune response

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Anuraag_Bukkuri/publica...

Vitamins: Key Role Players in Boosting Up Immune Response-A Mini Review

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Jazib_Irfan/publication...

Use of vitamin C as an immunostimulant. Effect on growth, nutritional quality, and immune response of Labeo rohita (Ham.)

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs10695-007-9184-...

> the "misinformation" people are battling is about a) unsubstantiated health claims

That "substantiation" requires a $2 billion payout to the FDA to certify.

> the fact that supplement manufacturers don't need to provide any evidence or follow any regulations regarding what's actually in the supplements.

Obviously you have no idea what you are talking about.

Re:Vitamin D insufficiency may account for almost 90% of Cov... by treeman79 on Tuesday December 01, 2020 @01:06AM (#25262828)
Have autoimmune condition. Life is about calming the immune system.

Crude I stopped eating for a month to kill it off. (Not intentional)

Worked great. Don’t recommend.

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Re:Vitamin D insufficiency may account for almost 90% of Cov... by bawolff on Tuesday December 01, 2020 @03:27AM (#25263490)
Just because a word has two meanings does not mean you can equate one meaning with the other.