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Re:My Hunt for the Original McDonald’s French-Fry Recipe by mauvehaus on Monday November 30, 2020 @02:18PM (#25257680)
Sorry, I didn't think my claim that a particular style of French fry is best required a disclaimer that it was a statement of opinion and not objective fact :-)

I do think that entirely too few people in the US have ever tried anything other than fries of smaller cross section and that properly cooked Belgian style fries would be a revelation for a great number of people over here.

Besides, the whole premise of TFA is based on snobbery and a bit of nostalgia. They're recreating the old McDonalds fries, not the new because of the perceived superiority of the old ones, after all.

I only argue that if you're going to be a snob, you should at least be a well-informed snob, though perhaps my intended humor came across poorly over the internet.

Imagine reading an article written by somebody who has never tried deep dish pizza (or any other kind) writing about their quest to replicate an old Dominos crust recipe.

Re:My Hunt for the Original McDonald’s French-Fry Recipe by JoeAltmaier on Monday November 30, 2020 @05:50PM (#25260066)
Oh American restaurants have tried everything - potato wedges, cottage fries, waffle fries, sweet potato fries, steak cut, truffle, garlic, cheese, chili, curly, oven baked, even poutine. Sometimes more than one kind at the same restaurant.

That's the thing about America. Somebody from every country is here, making their traditional foods or riffing on them with new ingredients and processes. I can go downtown and try Ethiopian, two British pubs, two Vietnamese, French (high and low styles), three Indian places, 4 Thai, 6 kinds of Mexican. All run by folks from those places.

Re:My Hunt for the Original McDonald’s French-Fry Recipe by Retric on Monday November 30, 2020 @06:33PM (#25260435)
The problem isn’t restaurants, the problem is the American preference for cheap, bland, calorie dense food. With such a wide range of cultures and individual preferences the most widely acceptable option ends up being fairly mediocre.

Plenty of exceptions exist, but tend to be very local.

Re:My Hunt for the Original McDonald’s French-Fry Recipe by labster on Monday November 30, 2020 @06:47PM (#25260559)
Hi, I see you just arrived from 1980. Welcome to our century! Here in our time, Americans eat all kinds of ethnic foods and some people wear face masks. Thai food is currently in vogue, we now have a spicy sauce called Sriracha (born in the USA), and you can get jalapeño poppers at fast food joints. Oh, and the food trucks! The President made a campaign promise to have a taco truck on every corner!
Re:My Hunt for the Original McDonald’s French-Fry Recipe by eyelidlessness on Monday November 30, 2020 @07:28PM (#25260842)
A promise[1] not kept[2].

[1]: He expressed it as a threat.

[2]: I think the hope that we'd have a taco truck on every corner was probably more unifying than anything else that's happened or been done by anyone in the US since.

Re:My Hunt for the Original McDonald’s French-Fry Recipe by Retric on Monday November 30, 2020 @10:12PM (#25261879)
Americans eat ethnic foods in the same way local Chinese restaurants serve authentic Chinese cuisine, or pizza is an authentic ethnic Italian dish.

American Thai food as generally consumed is rapidly becoming it’s own thing that’s somewhat related to actual Thai food. Like California rolls or hotdogs what’s left over after the free market has it’s say is a very different thing.

Re:My Hunt for the Original McDonald’s French-Fry Recipe by yellowapple on Monday November 30, 2020 @11:08PM (#25262206)
I mean, that's what happens as a cuisine gets passed down from generation to generation: it evolves. Cuisine and language are similar in that respect. The sort of English spoken in the US is no less "real" than the sort of English spoken in England; why would the Chinese food made and sold by the descendants of Chinese immigrants in the US be any less "real" than the Chinese food made and sold in China? They both evolved from the same point, and simply diverged and evolved.

And that's what we're seeing now with Thai food. As the generations get further and further removed from the original immigrants, the cuisine continues to evolve in its own direction. And why shouldn't it?

It's also worth remembering that restaurants are not always (and in fact, rarely are) representative of the actual local cuisines. There's still heavy emphasis on the good ol' home cooked meal (as hard as frozen food chains might try to supplant home cooking), and that's where you see both the preservation of tradition and the proliferation of experimentation, marketability and profit be damned. Indeed, looking at these home cooked meals, it becomes readily evident that the oft-denigrated Chinese holes-in-the-wall and small town pizzerias are far closer to authenticity than the fancy gastropubs and fusion restaurants of snobbish preference; authentic cuisine puts form over function, and heartiness over presentation. Authenticity comes from humility and self-awareness; it doesn't need to try to impress anyone's palate.

Re:My Hunt for the Original McDonald’s French-Fry Recipe by Retric on Monday November 30, 2020 @11:36PM (#25262339)
It’s the speed of change that suggests it’s more than just the natural evolution of food. I am not saying it’s a purely negative effect, just describing what’s happens when a new ethnic food gets introduced to the American pallet.

I stand by my original point that you can’t call something authentic X after you significantly later what it is. Small town pizzerias and snobbish restaurants are both very distinct from classic Italian food.

That said, if you go to Italy today they very much cater to tourists expecting food their familiar with. Further, while the tomato was only imported in the 16th century, that’s plenty far back to confuse the issue.

Re:My Hunt for the Original McDonald’s French-Fry Recipe by JoeAltmaier on Tuesday December 01, 2020 @07:53AM (#25264688)
And pretty much any Italian dish you make with meat, is American Italian. Made by Italian-Americans once they got to America and meat was plentiful.

So does that make it "not Italian"? It was first-generation cooks that made it. Certainly not "Traditional Italian" but so what?

Re:My Hunt for the Original McDonald’s French-Fry Recipe by JoeAltmaier on Tuesday December 01, 2020 @07:52AM (#25264685)
Yeah the guy we know at our favorite Indian place says "You know this is Restaurant Indian Food. Some time ask me, and I'll have Mom make you the stuff we eat at home!"

So we're gonna ask the next time.

Re:My Hunt for the Original McDonald’s French-Fry Recipe by fnord77 on Monday November 30, 2020 @08:06PM (#25261070)
gosh, even around 1980, I remember my risk-averse parents getting chinese and indian food in nowhereville, and demon-core hot buffalo wings were popular.
Re:My Hunt for the Original McDonald’s French-Fry Recipe by Retric on Monday November 30, 2020 @10:27PM (#25261966)
You say that, yet I will take that as evidence supporting my argument. Chinese food served in US restaurants has little in common with actual Chinese food, it’s common for them to have completely different menus for people who actually speak Chinese with a different set of dishes. Indian food went through a similar transition, where there is a distinctly American take generally served.

PS: Hot isn’t a complex flavor it’s exactly what’s left over after you extract the complexity from many ethnic dishes.

Re:My Hunt for the Original McDonald’s French-Fry Recipe by pests on Tuesday December 01, 2020 @02:11AM (#25263115)
Agreed on the second menus. While eating inside my local Chinese place a few years back I saw an amazing dish being eating by another patron and was given the scoop. It was literally a second menu, no photos, all Chinese. Everything I've tried has been great but it's definitely different food from the main menu.
Re:My Hunt for the Original McDonald’s French-Fry Recipe by lifeformed on Tuesday December 01, 2020 @01:28AM (#25262943)
The "plenty of exceptions" part is the key! There are truly a lot of exceptions, and you can subsist eating entirely local, authentic, interesting, and healthy food in any mid-sized American city if you make it a priority.
Re:My Hunt for the Original McDonald’s French-Fry Recipe by jjeaff on Monday November 30, 2020 @04:34PM (#25259302)
>I do think that entirely too few people in the US have ever tried anything other than fries of smaller cross section

Unless the American eats only at fast food restaurants (which is probably a decent sized group), then I can't imagine that to be true. There are fries with many difference cross section sizes even in a regular grocery freezer aisle.

And many restaurants frequently serve fries ranging from skinny shoestring to full on "potato logs" that are easily an inch diameter cross section.

Re:My Hunt for the Original McDonald’s French-Fry Recipe by reaperducer on Monday November 30, 2020 @06:32PM (#25260430)
I do think that entirely too few people in the US have ever tried anything other than fries of smaller cross section and that properly cooked Belgian style fries would be a revelation for a great number of people over here.

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