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Re:E Foundation – deGoogled unGoogled smartphone OS and onli... by phh on Monday November 30, 2020 @09:36AM (#25254106)
I don't think the graveyard of Android privacy forks is that big? All I can think of is CopperheadOS which died because it was company-backed. You could argue CyanogenMod died, though really it's still well alive in LineageOS. (and CyanogenMod wasn't really privacy-focused)

I have a very high respect for all the work that's been done on the various GNU/Linux mobile distributions, but it's still so far away from Android wrt usability...

I agree there is something weird about fighting Google with Android, but still it makes perfect sense.

From a business or engineering PoV, you want best features for the fastest MVP. Android gives you just that. Actually it goes way beyond, /e/ didn't do much of engineering, they mostly re-used what's done by the Android FLOSS community. (Honestly I don't really like /e/ because they basically don't give anything back to the community but well).

If /e/ is ever successful, they can hire many engineers to actually fork Android to have their own. That's what Android did for Linux in the first place anyway! Most OEMs have a lot of changes to their Android, even though they keep using Google apps, and they are just fine. I'm pretty sure that Samsung have an order of magnitude more changes in Android than LineageOS (which /e/ is a pretty direct fork of), and they maintain it just fine.

Re:E Foundation – deGoogled unGoogled smartphone OS and onli... by rst on Monday November 30, 2020 @09:59AM (#25254378)
The original developer of CopperheadOS is continuing the work as GrapheneOS, after a split with his former business partner, over dilutions of the privacy guarantees, among other things. https://grapheneos.org/
Re:E Foundation – deGoogled unGoogled smartphone OS and onli... by Throwaway1771 on Monday November 30, 2020 @01:14PM (#25256951)
Highly recommend this solution.

This is where I ended up after countless hours of research looking for security/privacy.

Re:E Foundation – deGoogled unGoogled smartphone OS and onli... by joemazerino on Monday November 30, 2020 @09:55PM (#25261767)
> over dilutions of the privacy guarantees,

Has anyone found sources for this?

Re:E Foundation – deGoogled unGoogled smartphone OS and onli... by LarissaH1 on Tuesday December 01, 2020 @10:27AM (#25265953)
I can't find any.
Re:E Foundation – deGoogled unGoogled smartphone OS and onli... by Throwaway1771 on Wednesday December 02, 2020 @04:11AM (#25274696)
Simply read the GrapheneOS IRC/Matrix channel. They log.
Re:E Foundation – deGoogled unGoogled smartphone OS and onli... by vdfs on Monday November 30, 2020 @10:52AM (#25255011)
Always feels like treading google for some other random developers
Re:E Foundation – deGoogled unGoogled smartphone OS and onli... by SubzeroCarnage on Monday November 30, 2020 @04:06PM (#25258969)
> random developers

Micay, of GrapheneOS and original creator of CopperheadOS, is not some random. They have pushed AOSP security ahead and have made many upstream contributions over the years.

Re:E Foundation – deGoogled unGoogled smartphone OS and onli... by LarissaH1 on Tuesday December 01, 2020 @10:28AM (#25265963)
I don't think he was the creator. None of the more reliable sources I see say that he is. They all say he was an employee.
Re:E Foundation – deGoogled unGoogled smartphone OS and onli... by SubzeroCarnage on Tuesday December 01, 2020 @03:18PM (#25269364)
I remember when Micay first released CopperheadOS. I spent most of early 2015 learning enough about kernels to eventually successfully port it to the OnePlus One in November of 2015 with near full PaX support. https://github.com/Divested-Mobile/DivestOS-Build/blob/c0083...
Re:E Foundation – deGoogled unGoogled smartphone OS and onli... by Throwaway1771 on Wednesday December 02, 2020 @04:10AM (#25274693)
You're reading shit/publicly editable sources.

Micay originated the Android Hardening Project, I believe it was called, and is the brains behind what was CopperheadOS, and now the superior GrapheneOS.

He was also a pretty instrumental Rust developer.

Re:E Foundation – deGoogled unGoogled smartphone OS and onli... by gostsamo on Monday November 30, 2020 @10:17AM (#25254595)
The e.foundation sponsors MicroG, so it is not entirely true that they don't give back.
Re:E Foundation – deGoogled unGoogled smartphone OS and onli... by phh on Monday November 30, 2020 @12:00PM (#25255943)
Ah I didn't know that thanks. That's still pretty little though, but I guess that's a gesture in the right direction.
Re:E Foundation – deGoogled unGoogled smartphone OS and onli... by addicted on Monday November 30, 2020 @10:15AM (#25254555)
CyanogenMod, as the name suggests, was explicitly a nod to add in features that didn’t exist before.

That was indeed a losing battle because Google has far more resources to add features ans beat CyanogenMod.

On the other hand, a de googlized and privacy focused platform provides something that Google can never provide.

There’s also a change in the environment surrounding all Of this. Thanks to the weaponization of Android by the American government, every country and company in the world is looking for a De GoogliZed alternative.

Re:E Foundation – deGoogled unGoogled smartphone OS and onli... by Anon1096 on Monday November 30, 2020 @02:19PM (#25257698)
Cyanogenmod is still alive and thriving as LineageOS. The goal was never to beat (Google) Android, it's just a custom ROM that provides many desirable features.
Re:E Foundation – deGoogled unGoogled smartphone OS and onli... by MacsHeadroom on Monday November 30, 2020 @10:42AM (#25254883)
Isn't CyanogenMod just AftermarketOS before rebranding?
Re:E Foundation – deGoogled unGoogled smartphone OS and onli... by joemazerino on Monday November 30, 2020 @06:31PM (#25260426)
> All I can think of is CopperheadOS which died because it was company-backed

CopperheadOS did not die. https://copperhead.co/android

/e/ mostly uses LineageOS code without providing attribution. They have a fair fight ahead of them and the Android FLOSS community benefits from this internal competition.

Re:E Foundation – deGoogled unGoogled smartphone OS and onli... by LarissaH1 on Wednesday December 02, 2020 @05:53PM (#25282865)
Copperhead looks interesting, thanks for that link.