Re:How the self-esteem craze took over America (2017)
by sanderjd on Sunday November 29, 2020 @09:36AM
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Yes that's why it gets philosophical, I do think hard work is valuable even if the outcome of that work isn't. I think this is more true of younger people, because building a hard work habit, even through lower value work, is likely to lead to hard work with high value results later in life.
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Re:How the self-esteem craze took over America (2017)
by selestify on Sunday November 29, 2020 @01:57PM
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Certainly, it is a philosophical issue at this point, and we could agree to disagree here. But I would note that
> I do think hard work is valuable ... because building a hard work habit ... is likely to lead to hard work with high value results later in life.
It sounds like you still value hard work because it increases the expectation value of future outcomes, and not entirely “just because” you value hard work. And so, maybe we agree somewhat on the philosophical level too, after all :)
Re:How the self-esteem craze took over America (2017)
by sanderjd on Monday November 30, 2020 @01:52PM
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Your first ellipsis spans a sentence-ending period, which distorts my meaning. The first sentence stands alone, while the second sentence introduces an additive point. I think hard work is valuable both intrinsically (the point being made in the first sentence), and in service to future outcomes (the point being made in the second sentence). If in other comments I made it seem like I think it is only intrinsically valuable, that was a lack of clarity.