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Re:Due to a problem with AWS, many "smart" vacuums or doorbe... by goatinaboat on Friday November 27, 2020 @01:26AM (#25226002)
At least the spying is removed by not connecting it to the internet, though I still get the great full OS experience :/

I have a smart TV not connected to the internet, just a HDMI connection to another box. Then I learned that IP-over-HDMI is a thing!

In the very near future this will be even more futile - the TV will have it’s own built-in cellular connection just for telemetry. Anyone who objects will be shouted down as a 5G conspiracy nut, but this is exactly what 5G is designed for.

Re:Due to a problem with AWS, many "smart" vacuums or doorbe... by ranma42 on Friday November 27, 2020 @04:23AM (#25226894)
Anecdotally, the first Sony smart tv my grandma got (after her old tube TV died) managed to receive a firmware upgrade over the antenna cable (don't remember if it was cable TV or satellite). She certainly didn't have any internet in her home. Of course that led to a fun episode of "My TV is broken" (actually just showing a prompt to start the firmware upgrade), in general she got very confused by the smart TVs UI often...
Re:Due to a problem with AWS, many "smart" vacuums or doorbe... by mtsr on Friday November 27, 2020 @01:33AM (#25226039)
That’s horrible, I hadn’t even looked at it like that.

But it will actually work better with 3/4G because 5Gs range is so short and it would be easy to block with just a little tinfoil.

Re:Due to a problem with AWS, many "smart" vacuums or doorbe... by Foivos on Friday November 27, 2020 @03:10AM (#25226495)
5G has a lot of bands. Most of them are close to the 3G/4G bands, so it should have the same signal as 3G/4G.

Also, new IoT technologies use techniques allowing them to operate at a much weaker signal.

But you can always just destroy the antenna.

Re:Due to a problem with AWS, many "smart" vacuums or doorbe... by realityking on Friday November 27, 2020 @04:15AM (#25226841)
> Then I learned that IP-over-HDMI is a thing!

While it’s in the spec, I’m not aware of a single piece of consumer electronics that actually support it. The standard is an utter failure.

In HDMI 2.1 the wires previously used for Ethernet-over-HDMI are now used for eARC making these two features mutually exclusive.

Re:Due to a problem with AWS, many "smart" vacuums or doorbe... by therealx on Friday November 27, 2020 @08:26AM (#25228505)
I believe some higher end residential automation automation software support it?