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Re:Due to a problem with AWS, many "smart" vacuums or doorbe... by MaximumYComb on Thursday November 26, 2020 @09:58PM (#25225228)
Can the app talk to them while they're not internet connected?
Re:Due to a problem with AWS, many "smart" vacuums or doorbe... by sethhochberg on Thursday November 26, 2020 @10:40PM (#25225374)
Yep. As long as your LAN is functional and the hub (which uses the ZigBee protocol often referenced in the comments here) is appropriately routeable, internet access is entirely optional - unless of course you want to control the lights from outside of your home.
Re:Due to a problem with AWS, many "smart" vacuums or doorbe... by Brian_K_White on Friday November 27, 2020 @05:28AM (#25227356)
Then what prevents the app from being the path, in either/both directions? Reporting on the activities of the devices it can see, as well as sending firmware updates to them?

Your printer gets firmware updates from HP, whenever HP wants, right past all your firewalls and vlans and non-routable subnets, in the form of print jobs from your pc.

Re:Due to a problem with AWS, many "smart" vacuums or doorbe... by lbotos on Friday November 27, 2020 @07:03AM (#25227966)
Source? While in principle your reasoning make sense, is this actually how HP updates their firmware?
Re:Due to a problem with AWS, many "smart" vacuums or doorbe... by cowsandmilk on Friday November 27, 2020 @07:10AM (#25228007)
Where did it say the app has to be on a device that can see the internet?
Re:Due to a problem with AWS, many "smart" vacuums or doorbe... by isatty on Friday November 27, 2020 @04:06AM (#25226804)
If you want to control your lights from outside your home you can either setup a WireGuard LAN or just enable the integration with apple home if you are already in the ecosystem.

Apple has less incentives to spy on you than whoever is running philips hue.