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Re:World's first no-kill eggs go on sale in Berlin (2018) by kelnos on Wednesday November 25, 2020 @05:27PM (#25214981)
I think this just depends on your values and moral code, and there's no clear right or wrong here.

I personally do not see a problem with using animals as food. If that's good enough for all the other omnivores and carnivores in the food chain, it's good enough for humans. There are certainly a lot of problems with the sustainability and humane-ness of our livestock farming, but I don't see "become vegetarian/vegan" as the only solution, or even necessarily a desirable one. But getting into a meat vs. no meat debate here isn't ever going to be productive, so that's all I'll say.

I had not known that male chicks are killed after birth in such numbers, and the practice does make me sad. But I also recognize that a lot of people just don't have any kind of emotional response to this sort of thing, and that's ok too. It's great that people are building new technologies to allow us to keep doing what we're doing, but with better treatment of the animals involved, and less waste.

Re:World's first no-kill eggs go on sale in Berlin (2018) by grecy on Wednesday November 25, 2020 @05:50PM (#25215161)
> But I also recognize that a lot of people just don't have any kind of emotional response to this sort of thing, and that's ok too

I will guarantee that a massive percentage of people do in fact have a very strong emotional response to this kind of thing, but it's all just "out of sight, out of mind".

If you make people be involved in the killing of millions of baby chicks, they'll suddenly care very, very much.

Our modern world is doing thousands of thousands of utterly horrible things each and every day, we just don't get to see it or be involved, and we're way too busy making our next mortgage payment and getting the kids to school on time to notice.

Re:World's first no-kill eggs go on sale in Berlin (2018) by hunter-gatherer on Wednesday November 25, 2020 @06:50PM (#25215591)
> I will guarantee that a massive percentage of people do in fact have a very strong emotional response to this kind of thing, but it's all just "out of sight, out of mind".

Interesting you hold such expectations. Based on my dealings with people I don't think a lasting response would be that great. Empathy and morals seem to suffice while it is convenient, but when necessary people always take the path of least resistance.

Re:World's first no-kill eggs go on sale in Berlin (2018) by WillPostForFood on Wednesday November 25, 2020 @05:59PM (#25215243)
If you make people be involved in the killing of millions of baby chicks, they'll suddenly care very, very much.

For a few days, then they'll get used to like the 1000 previous generations of humans that had to kill animals to survive.

Re:World's first no-kill eggs go on sale in Berlin (2018) by grecy on Wednesday November 25, 2020 @06:10PM (#25215333)
> like the 1000 previous generations of humans that had to kill animals to survive

Just a couple of hundred years ago there wouldn't have been many people killing more animals than they could eat.

Re:World's first no-kill eggs go on sale in Berlin (2018) by technothrasher on Wednesday November 25, 2020 @06:37PM (#25215522)
Re:World's first no-kill eggs go on sale in Berlin (2018) by sempron64 on Thursday November 26, 2020 @12:13PM (#25221803)
For all of history until 100 years ago, and even now in about half of the world, poultry was purchased in live markets. The vast majority of the population did not/does not flinch to see their poultry slaughtered after seeing it a few times. For humans, generally, Eating takes priority over empathy to animals. Therefore I doubt it would be different if we were involved in the slaughter of our food. I suspect even if the all people were taken to tour agricultural facilities, the majority would accept the cost.
Re:World's first no-kill eggs go on sale in Berlin (2018) by perl4ever on Wednesday November 25, 2020 @07:36PM (#25215835)
What about medical research and testing? Per individual animal, that seems generally much worse, although I don't know how the global scale/numbers compare and how to morally weigh quantity of suffering vs. quality.
Re:World's first no-kill eggs go on sale in Berlin (2018) by Razengan on Wednesday November 25, 2020 @05:49PM (#25215152)
> If that's good enough for all the other omnivores and carnivores in the food chain, it's good enough for humans.

If there’s a larger “food chain” on the interstellar scale where some intelligent species mass-consume others, would it be “good enough” for some aliens to farm humans like we do animals?

Re:World's first no-kill eggs go on sale in Berlin (2018) by zo1 on Wednesday November 25, 2020 @05:51PM (#25215169)
It's all good and well to argue about it while we're at the top of the food chain. No guarantee that'll always be the case, though.
Re:World's first no-kill eggs go on sale in Berlin (2018) by nkrisc on Wednesday November 25, 2020 @06:00PM (#25215248)
Sure. Though we'd probably mount an armed resistance to the idea, successful or not.

The animals on the farm are welcome to do the same if they don't like being farmed.

Re:World's first no-kill eggs go on sale in Berlin (2018) by krageon on Thursday November 26, 2020 @08:04AM (#25219678)
So you think you only deserve the right to live if you can resist me murdering you? What if you become crippled? You cannot resist me, armed or not. Therefore you are an old-time farm animal, mine to kill whenever I want.

I think that's an unhealthy stance to take towards life.

Re:World's first no-kill eggs go on sale in Berlin (2018) by cercatrova on Thursday November 26, 2020 @08:35AM (#25219873)
Yes. I've seen this alien argument used a lot by non-meat-eaters, as if it's some "gotcha". It is not. One can construct a sound and valid viewpoint that is consistent simply by saying that sure, I can eat animals that are lower in some quality than I am, such as sapience, but then if an eldritch alien with more sapience than me comes about, they are free to eat me.
Re:World's first no-kill eggs go on sale in Berlin (2018) by Razengan on Thursday November 26, 2020 @05:39AM (#25218732)
The fact that animals cannot mount a resistance makes our practices even more grim and morbid, not better.
Re:World's first no-kill eggs go on sale in Berlin (2018) by cygx on Thursday November 26, 2020 @06:33AM (#25219041)
Might makes right is a poor foundation for any moral framework, imo.
Re:World's first no-kill eggs go on sale in Berlin (2018) by missingrib on Thursday November 26, 2020 @02:48AM (#25217848)
This is satire?