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Re:JFK in Trauma Room One: A Witness Remembers by subsubzero on Wednesday November 25, 2020 @05:10PM (#25214848)
Interestingly, the Surgeon(Robert McClelland ) who tried to save both JFk and Oswald's life died a few months ago, his obituary in the economist is an interesting read:

> The neck wound might have been entry or exit, but the back of the head clearly showed a huge exit wound; so the first bullet probably came from the back, and the second from the front, from different gunmen.

also from the same article:

>Several other aspects went on troubling him. There was no post-mortem in Texas, against state law; the body went at once to Bethesda. He was shown autopsy pictures at the National Archives in which the exit wound was covered up.

Article: https://beta.trimread.com/articles/52767

Re:JFK in Trauma Room One: A Witness Remembers by andrewseanryan on Thursday November 26, 2020 @12:53AM (#25217264)
Just watch the Zapruder film in slo mo (https://youtu.be/eqzJQE8LYrQ)

He gets shot in the neck, it appears to exit the front of his neck and enter the backside of the guy in the front seat (I think the governor).

He then gets the front of his head blown off, which definitely looks to be an exit wound as the front of his skull flies off and mist flies forward. An entry wound would not explode out like that. The thing that throws people off is that his head moves back when the front blows off. I think that would be a natural movement from the force of the bullet exiting and blowing off the front of the skull but you also have to remember that he had a terrible back with limited mobility. As a person who also has a bad back, if you get pushed forward to the fullest of your flexibility, you will recoil back with force.

I was raised to believe in multiple shooters but I don’t see it here. One shooter.

Re:JFK in Trauma Room One: A Witness Remembers by rags2riches on Thursday November 26, 2020 @04:03AM (#25218237)
Then watch Penn and Teller shoot a watermelon to demonstrate the backwards force from the exiting mass.

https://youtu.be/yzyw7AcHbuY

Re:JFK in Trauma Room One: A Witness Remembers by andrewseanryan on Friday November 27, 2020 @11:13PM (#25235207)
Very useful video for this discussion. Thanks.
Re:JFK in Trauma Room One: A Witness Remembers by mav3rick on Wednesday November 25, 2020 @05:18PM (#25214907)
As per your first quote the 2nd one could be entry or exit. So why is it claimed that there was a 2nd gunman ?
Re:JFK in Trauma Room One: A Witness Remembers by blago on Thursday November 26, 2020 @12:03AM (#25217000)
Agreed. Not sure why you are getting downvoted. Concluding that there was a second shooter is like saying that "your runny nose and sore throat are definitely caused by the flu, but the dry cough could be either flu or lung cancer, so you probably have both".
Re:JFK in Trauma Room One: A Witness Remembers by scoot on Wednesday November 25, 2020 @06:38PM (#25215526)
Agreed. If one is an exit wound, and one is inconclusive, how does that lead to the conclusion that there are two shooters?
Re:JFK in Trauma Room One: A Witness Remembers by markus_zhang on Wednesday November 25, 2020 @05:21PM (#25214937)
>so the first bullet probably came from the back, and the second from the front, from different gunmen.
Re:JFK in Trauma Room One: A Witness Remembers by wahern on Wednesday November 25, 2020 @06:30PM (#25215477)
That conclusion doesn't follow from the stated premises. The most basic missing premise is that Oswald was positioned (inside the book depository) behind the motorcade. See https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/58/DealeyPl... Of course, there are many other necessary premises wherein lie the interminable debate. But if you assume (as it seems the doctor did) that at least one shot (possibly a miss) came from Oswald behind the president, who was facing forward; and one shot came from ahead of the president exiting the back of his head, the scenario the doctor believed the evidence demanded; then you must conclude at least two shooters.
Re:JFK in Trauma Room One: A Witness Remembers by ekianjo on Wednesday November 25, 2020 @08:00PM (#25215959)
Yeah, and Oswald shot perfect shots with a super old WW2 rifle in less than 10s while he was an average shooter at best based on what we know from him in the army. There's enough evidence at this stage to support several shooters despite what the History books claim.
Re:JFK in Trauma Room One: A Witness Remembers by mav3rick on Wednesday November 25, 2020 @08:47PM (#25216153)
Can you cite some evidence?
Re:JFK in Trauma Room One: A Witness Remembers by andrewseanryan on Thursday November 26, 2020 @12:43AM (#25217212)
S/he must have watched Stone’s JFK...
Re:JFK in Trauma Room One: A Witness Remembers by grosswait on Wednesday November 25, 2020 @06:25PM (#25215434)
> The neck wound might have been entry or exit
Re:JFK in Trauma Room One: A Witness Remembers by mav3rick on Wednesday November 25, 2020 @08:47PM (#25216149)
I don't know why everyone is ignoring this part.
Re:JFK in Trauma Room One: A Witness Remembers by markdown on Thursday November 26, 2020 @12:48AM (#25217240)
So since we have an exit elsewhere, this one was the entry.
Re:JFK in Trauma Room One: A Witness Remembers by GhostVII on Wednesday November 25, 2020 @08:55PM (#25216190)
If there were two shooters, wouldn't they have to be incredibly coordinated to shoot directly on target at pretty much the same time? Seems pretty difficult to get two shots to the head/neck from long range in the time between the first shot and the car pulling away.
Re:JFK in Trauma Room One: A Witness Remembers by jmnicolas on Thursday November 26, 2020 @04:47AM (#25218461)
> wouldn't they have to be incredibly coordinated to shoot directly on target

AFAIK sniper Swat teams do this when there are multiple targets. They coordinate through radio and shout on countdown.

Frankly I don't think it's complicated (for a pro).

Re:JFK in Trauma Room One: A Witness Remembers by ramblerman on Thursday November 26, 2020 @09:03AM (#25220081)
The whole two shooters thing seems like the perfect thing to keep conspiracy theorists busy if you were trying to actually cover something up.

I.e. create some confusion around an unimportant detail. Instead of who ordered Kennedy dead

Re:JFK in Trauma Room One: A Witness Remembers by yread on Thursday November 26, 2020 @02:49AM (#25217852)
Also pretty pointless