How the U.S. Used Disinformation and the 'Jakarta Method' to Change the World

Re:How the U.S. Used Disinformation and the 'Jakarta Method'... by spaetzleesser on Wednesday November 25, 2020 @10:01AM (#25209914)

When you watch FoxNews they call everything that’s not in line with them “far left”. It’s a cool trick to mark anybody only slightly left from them as extremist. And judging from conversations with FoxNews viewers it works like a charm.

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Re:How the U.S. Used Disinformation and the 'Jakarta Method'... by ceejayoz on Wednesday November 25, 2020 @11:31AM (#25210975)

A tactic that's backfiring on them now, as they get accused by the President of "pandering to the left".

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/11/trump-nuclear-agains...

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Re:How the U.S. Used Disinformation and the 'Jakarta Method'... by spaetzleesser on Wednesday November 25, 2020 @02:17PM (#25213087)

Allying with Trump is a dangerous path because his only ideology is himself.

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Re:How the U.S. Used Disinformation and the 'Jakarta Method'... by mistermann on Wednesday November 25, 2020 @12:00PM (#25211361)

A similar phenomenon is the mainstream media (and its believers) with the term "conspiracy theory".

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Re:How the U.S. Used Disinformation and the 'Jakarta Method'... by spaetzleesser on Wednesday November 25, 2020 @02:16PM (#25213074)

I would argue that there are a lot of conspiracy theories out there at the moment that should be labeled as such.

A better example would be the tendency of the left to mark anyone they disagree with as “racist”. Same strategy. Mark your opponents as something that’s so bad that no further discussion can be allowed.

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Re:How the U.S. Used Disinformation and the 'Jakarta Method'... by mistermann on Wednesday November 25, 2020 @03:50PM (#25214166)

> I would argue that there are a lot of conspiracy theories out there at the moment that should be labeled as such.

You can attach whatever label you would like to something, it has no effect on whether it is objectively true (in shared, physical reality), it only affects people's perceptions of its truth (virtual reality). This applies both to conspiracy theories, as well as mainstream news theories. There is surely a difference between which class of theories has larger epistemic variance between physical and virtual reality, but this variance exists on a per story basis, and should therefore be analyzed at that level. No one has ever done such a comparative analysis (as far as I know, correct me if I'm wrong), despite what mainstream news theorists would have the public believe.

> A better example would be the tendency of the left to mark anyone they disagree with as “racist”. Same strategy. Mark your opponents as something that’s so bad that no further discussion can be allowed.

An excellent example indeed.

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Re:How the U.S. Used Disinformation and the 'Jakarta Method'... by wizzwizz4 on Wednesday November 25, 2020 @02:03PM (#25212951)

Cory Doctorow's written a lot about conspiracy theories. Or you could look at https://www.everythingisaremix.info/.

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Re:How the U.S. Used Disinformation and the 'Jakarta Method'... by mistermann on Wednesday November 25, 2020 @04:00PM (#25214239)

"CONSTANTLY WRONG: THE CASE AGAINST CONSPIRACY THEORIES"

This seems like a less than promising title for those of us who are interested in what is objectively true. A quick skim of the first three strawman-filled minutes of the video does not make me feel any better.

It's true, one can indeed find plenty of batshit insane ideas within the conspiracy world. Similarly, one can find plenty of dark-complexioned people engaged in fisticuffs on /r/fightporn. What speculative conclusions one should form based on these two facts is a matter of opinion.

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Re:How the U.S. Used Disinformation and the 'Jakarta Method'... by wizzwizz4 on Thursday November 26, 2020 @04:54PM (#25223791)

Sorry; I linked the blog. You can watch it here: https://www.everythingisaremix.info/watch-the-series

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