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Re:How the U.S. Used Disinformation and the 'Jakarta Method'... by TeMPOraL on Wednesday November 25, 2020 @08:24AM (#25208930)
> Unfortunately the U.S. has done a really good job at convincing it’s citizens that there is freedom of the press in their country even though time and time again we’ve seen the mass media in the U.S. severely comprised by corporate interests and/or politics.

I think the trick isn't in making people believe the press is free - the trick is in misleading people about what it means.

The press is mostly free in the US, meaning the government isn't going to explicitly censor or micromanage it. By the same token, the press is also free to do whatever it wants - like, optimize for profits, like a good private sector entity does. Some good ways for an ad-funded news publisher to optimize profits are:

- writing things that get people to read/watch the content (and thus, ads), regardless of whether these things are true, accurate, or appropriate in a civilized society;

- getting paid for delivering more ads, e.g. as sponsored (officially or not) content;

- ensuring ongoing access to freshest news by not burning the sources, particularly government or corporate ones, by e.g. publishing things said sources don't want to see published

This way, a fully free press walks into censorship and bias anyway, of its own volition[0].

Freedom of press is important, but I think we talk too much about ideas and principles, and too little about actual system dynamics in play.

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[0] - Well, as much volition as you can have in a highly competitive industry, where if you don't sacrifice your values, your competitor will, and then you'll run out of money and die.

Re:How the U.S. Used Disinformation and the 'Jakarta Method'... by bxk1 on Wednesday November 25, 2020 @09:28AM (#25209534)
Chomsky did a lot of work to show that it's not optimizing for profits or some subconscious biases of people influencing press, but very deliberate power structure pushing specific censorship, propaganda, it's all very conscious effort. Private ownership here helps a lot of course, not because of profits, but because owners are able to push policies and narratives top down.
Re:How the U.S. Used Disinformation and the 'Jakarta Method'... by TeMPOraL on Wednesday November 25, 2020 @02:00PM (#25212907)
I don't buy conscious effort all that much. It's reassuring to believe there are some evil actors in control over the narrative. Such people could be identified, and eventually removed from their positions of influence. It's much scarier, and much closer to the truth, that we're dealing with a system of incentives that's stronger than any individual or group. We're not being led astray by the few with an agenda; we're all just flowing down the optimization gradient.
Re:How the U.S. Used Disinformation and the 'Jakarta Method'... by goldcountry on Wednesday November 25, 2020 @11:41AM (#25211094)
This guy read Manufacturing Consent by Noam Chomsky
Re:How the U.S. Used Disinformation and the 'Jakarta Method'... by TeMPOraL on Wednesday November 25, 2020 @02:00PM (#25212913)
Actually I haven't, though I probably have ingested his ideas by osmosis at this point.