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Re:Ask HN: Why do some timestamps on HN have a full stop at ... by tialaramex on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @10:29AM (#25199302)
This reminds me of a time I wrote a Facebook post which tagged about a half-dozen couples I know. I consciously wrote all the het pairs as girl, boy e.g. "Sarah Smith, Dave Smith" not "Dave Smith, Sarah Smith" because on the one hand that's how I most often think of them, and I noticed our culture usually puts the man first so why not be contrary?

Anyway, Facebook re-ordered them. And so I followed up with a post asking why that happens. It turns out some of my friends saw other orders, some got the order I intended. Intriguing.

Fortunately one of the scientists thought of a perfectly rational and testable explanation, she tested it, and demonstrated it's apparently right.

Facebook has some internal "How much you interact with this person" metric and it's using that for sorting. It has no way to know your relationship to Sarah and Dave in the real world, it's just putting Dave first (for example) because the two of you exchanged a dozen terrible fish puns last week, a measurable Facebook interaction, whereas that walk out by the lake with Sarah when her mother died isn't on Facebook.

Re:Ask HN: Why do some timestamps on HN have a full stop at ... by skytreader on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @11:40AM (#25200065)
Makes sense as FB hyper optimizes for engagement. That said I wonder how the data is structured in their DB, how messy it is, how complicated a post can I make to foil their parsing.

There was a rumor back in college when we cared about social clout that the handful of people you see on the Friends list on your profile are the people who most recently/frequently check your profile (i.e., viewing someone's profile is already an interaction metric for FB). This trained me to not visit other people's profiles. To this day (when that list is just "most recent friends added"), I visit profiles very rarely and only if there is really something I want to check.

It's not so baseless either. Of course this might be some bias or another working but there was a time I fell behind certain commitments to a Dev Group I was helping organize and poof, the friends list on my profile started to show my co-organizers. Felt like they were checking on me, on why I'm behind my stuff, why I was taking time to echo replies. I was just busy; sorry it happens. :)

Re:Ask HN: Why do some timestamps on HN have a full stop at ... by cgriswald on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @02:13PM (#25201922)
I'd seen it claimed repeatedly that when others view your profile it doesn't affect People You May Know. I don't believe the claims. Despite being in the same location three days a week for several weeks with my fellow classmates, it was only after I gave a presentation to the class and my (unusual, non-English, impossible to spell phonetically) last name appeared on screen that I started seeing my classmates in People You May Know. It was only female classmates and IIRC we didn't even have mutual friends. Like you, I've been selective about going to people's profiles since then.
Re:Ask HN: Why do some timestamps on HN have a full stop at ... by mcintyre1994 on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @11:49AM (#25200166)
When we used to use Facebook in high school there were tonnes of fake apps that I assume just existed to suck up data that would claim to be able to show you who viewed your profile the most too. There was something floating around that you were meant to be able to put in the DevTools console for the same thing - this was probably before they had the big warning there and presumably also sucked up data or worse.
Re:Ask HN: Why do some timestamps on HN have a full stop at ... by human4fter4ll on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @12:28PM (#25200654)
>> exchanged a dozen terrible fish puns last week

seems you have a sofishticated sense of humor

Re:Ask HN: Why do some timestamps on HN have a full stop at ... by webmaven on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @05:44PM (#25203887)
> >> exchanged a dozen terrible fish puns last week

> seems you have a sofishticated sense of humor

Stop, or I'm going to have to kick you in the bass.

Re:Ask HN: Why do some timestamps on HN have a full stop at ... by AnimalMuppet on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @05:53PM (#25203960)
Stop your carping...
Re:Ask HN: Why do some timestamps on HN have a full stop at ... by human4fter4ll on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @06:44PM (#25204354)
that's enough fish puns. think we should scale back
Re:Ask HN: Why do some timestamps on HN have a full stop at ... by AnimalMuppet on Wednesday November 25, 2020 @12:39AM (#25206297)
Whale, I enjoyed them. But you're right, they're causing the conversation to flounder...
Re:Ask HN: Why do some timestamps on HN have a full stop at ... by webmaven on Saturday November 28, 2020 @08:39PM (#25242220)
Oh, for Cod's hake, can't you do any betta than that?
Re:Ask HN: Why do some timestamps on HN have a full stop at ... by derefr on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @10:32AM (#25199348)
I imagine that algorithm isn't really trying to rank people you know vs. other people you know, but rather trying to list people you know ahead of acquaintances and friends-of-friends that you've happened to "interact" with once (in the sense that you just happened to be in the same comment thread at the same time, even if you weren't speaking to one-another.)
Re:Ask HN: Why do some timestamps on HN have a full stop at ... by singlow on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @10:55AM (#25199545)
It is in fact traditional formal style, at least in the U.S., when writing the name of a married couple with a shared last name, to put the _woman's_ name first: "Jane and John Doe". In contrast, when using the titles it is the man's title first: "Mr. and Mrs. John Doe".
Re:Ask HN: Why do some timestamps on HN have a full stop at ... by tomhoward on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @02:11PM (#25201897)
Not to detract from your main point, which is very sound, but on this:

> whereas that walk out by the lake with Sarah

If you both have the Facebook app with location tracking on, Facebook does know about this, which is why you sometimes get friend suggestions for people after you spent time near them (eg you were at the same party or they visited your house to do cleaning or plumbing), even if you have no mutual friends.

Re:Ask HN: Why do some timestamps on HN have a full stop at ... by toyg on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @02:30PM (#25202099)
I’ve seen this and I was so spooked that I uninstalled the app. I am not naive enough to believe nobody else does it, but it was just too egregious.