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Re:Ethereum 2.0 – Minimum deposit reached by krageon on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @07:07AM (#25197683)
The whole "this costs too much power!" movement is disingenuous, it generally relies upon comparisons to Visa or similar networks. These networks are built upon the suffering of millions (which you can I suppose equate to rampant CO2 production, if you really wanted to) and should not be used at all. Any alternative is better than that.

Then of course there is the whole notion that using a lot of power is in and of itself a big evil, which is ridiculous. Even from an environmental perspective, big industries are by far the biggest offenders. By shifting the perspective of the discourse away from the real offenders towards other "problems", we are doing a disservice to the actual issues.

At this point I'm convinced it's a movement composed primarily of people who don't understand what they're talking about, sprinkled with a light dash of actual malicious actors. This makes sense, as that's a realistic cross-section of the internet at large.

Re:Ethereum 2.0 – Minimum deposit reached by pclmulqdq on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @09:19AM (#25198627)
Serious question: Who suffers at the hands of Mastercard?
Re:Ethereum 2.0 – Minimum deposit reached by krageon on Thursday November 26, 2020 @07:53AM (#25219592)
There are only two payment networks (when you go all the way down), namely the one backed by Visa and the one backed by Mastercard. These two companies are fundamentally creditcard companies, which are a predatory instruments meant to lure people into spending more than they can really afford.

Even if you want to put predatory lending practices that are at the very heart of those networks aside (why would you, but hypothetically) you are left with networks that disproportionately disadvantage certain classes of people: a good example is sex workers, it being the case that these networks are managed inside the US they are fundamentally puritanical. Usually these arguments are couched in environmental euphemisms such as "there is higher risk". These measures are proxied into networks that run on top of the lowest network, but they are positively stimulated to keep them that way.

If those things don't bother you, you may be swayed by the fact that they're both based inside the US. Broadly speaking, we don't need to get into why that is an entity that tends to spread suffering around.

Re:Ethereum 2.0 – Minimum deposit reached by dmantis on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @11:59AM (#25200309)
Well, not directly the mastercard, but current banking system - lots of people.

TLDR; custody banking model keeps people out of control of their own property.

There is a big problem with private property rights and safety guaranties of your capital today in most of the world. There are three problems: unstable govs in 3rd world countries, capital moving restrictions and QEs.

I'm, for example, not from developed country, so I have several restrictions on my own money, some of which may be applied to US/Europe citizens and some may not:

  1) my gov, speaking softly, is not stable. I have no guarantee on my bank accounts in the long term (eg 20+ years). I can assume that funds can be at least inflated in several times, if not withdrawn in the name of some "patriotic" gov initiative. It would be much better to have my funds away from such jurisdiction. It's safer to have the funds out of **any** jurisdiction due to some political conflicts and attacks. US and their banks are likely to freeze Russian/China/Iran citizens funds as well when another conflict will arise. 

  2) Capital moving. Even if someone assume that some jurisdiction is safe - there is another problem - not any country makes capital flowing outside its border legal. You just **can't** move your **own** funds somewhere where you see it fit the most. Domestic banks may be completely controlled by the gov and too much cash can be easily arrested on its way by customs. 
  
  3) QEs, which is my favorite part and applied to any human on the earth today. Your money is used to "save" someone without your direct permission even if you live in good country, paid your taxes and did nothing wrong. Just by printing more money - practically making your hard-earned money cheaper and less useful. They'd say that you can move your money to stocks (US, by the way, there is no stable stocks but theirs), but you both will need to pay tax from your so called profits (the hell, on SP500 I won't even earn on the long run, I barely save initial funds considering inflation!) and forced to invest in american economy, which not everyone (surprise!) want to do. And stocks can fail badly.
With some assumptions, crypto solves all three problems very efficiently.
Re:Ethereum 2.0 – Minimum deposit reached by notahacker on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @12:13PM (#25200471)
Bitcoin lost more purchasing power between midnight and midday on Sunday than the USD did during the unprecedented QE stimuluses of 2009-2011. So either QE isn't actually that bad, or BTC is far too far from being a solution to be worth spending the entire energy requirements of a largish developing country or small developed country on.
Re:Ethereum 2.0 – Minimum deposit reached by pclmulqdq on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @09:12PM (#25205253)
These are all really good points, but there's some nuance missing in this view. There is actually a fairly narrow slice of the financial world that you don't like, specifically central banking and fiat currency.

Currently, crypto traders are busy learning that all the rest of the financial world, including things like credit and financial derivatives (encapsulated in smart contracts), can still apply to cryptocurrencies.

Things like consumer credit and fractional reserve banking will show up in crypto soon (if they haven't already). It's just a matter of trusted entities offering specific smart contracts.

The one thing I really dislike about most crypto is the traceability: unless you use privacy coins (which themselves have dubious security claims), every transaction is 100% traceable.

Re:Ethereum 2.0 – Minimum deposit reached by krageon on Thursday November 26, 2020 @07:55AM (#25219610)
I think it's too simple to say someone only dislikes part of the financial world. Even in the blockchain money space these financial instruments are not positive aspects. The fact that they can be ported into this new space is not a reason to assume they are good.
Re:Ethereum 2.0 – Minimum deposit reached by SiempreViernes on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @10:19AM (#25199210)
Bitcoin exchanges?
Re:Ethereum 2.0 – Minimum deposit reached by zdkl on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @11:47AM (#25200146)
Sex workers off the top of my head?
Re:Ethereum 2.0 – Minimum deposit reached by kybernetikos on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @10:38AM (#25199392)
As you rightly point out, whether something is considered to cost too much power properly depends on what you compare it with.

Before there was a viable alternative to POW for achieving the goals of a decentralised currency, it was at least debateable about whether the benefits of the decentralised currency were worth the cost of POW compared to the alternatives, but now that it appears POS is a viable alternative, there can be no question - POW costs too much power.

Re:Ethereum 2.0 – Minimum deposit reached by krageon on Thursday November 26, 2020 @04:56AM (#25218492)
If it turns out PoS is actually a good idea, I think you will have a very good point. Until it's been running and is used right (and doesn't get exploited hard and early) I think it is premature to say this.