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Re:Apple’s head of security indicted in Santa Clara County C... by giantg2 on Monday November 23, 2020 @06:49PM (#25193385)
Don't go to the DA - they work with these people. Go to the feds since this violation of your rights is being committed under the color of law.
Re:Apple’s head of security indicted in Santa Clara County C... by kec on Monday November 23, 2020 @07:19PM (#25193648)
California is a may issue state, the sheriff's office can decline to issue a permit for any reason. Soliciting the bribe is illegal for other reasons, but failing to issue the permit is not a rights violation under California law.
Re:Apple’s head of security indicted in Santa Clara County C... by giantg2 on Monday November 23, 2020 @07:27PM (#25193718)
...any legal reason...

Actually, denying the permit via an illegal action (requesting a bribe) is not a lawful denial and would result in the violation of your equal protection rights.

Re:Apple’s head of security indicted in Santa Clara County C... by btilly on Monday November 23, 2020 @07:43PM (#25193864)
They do not have to provide the reason. Does it matter if the real reason is illegal?
Re:Apple’s head of security indicted in Santa Clara County C... by giantg2 on Monday November 23, 2020 @07:58PM (#25193965)
If they solicit a bribe, one would reasonably assume that a failure to pay would result in a denial. If you have a recording of that, then you could provide probable cause that it was illegal.

If you weren't propositioned with a bribe, then true, it wouldn't be apparent why you were denied.

Re:Apple’s head of security indicted in Santa Clara County C... by cgriswald on Monday November 23, 2020 @08:40PM (#25194297)
California is a two-party consent state. It's safe to assume a LEO soliciting a bribe would not also consent to having that solicitation recorded. So the only way you are getting that recording is illegally. Depending on how you record them, you could be facing several charges yourself and there's no guarantee that anything will come of it for a variety of reasons. You might even be caught doing it, which could be disastrous. In short, it's a pretty big gamble.
Re:Apple’s head of security indicted in Santa Clara County C... by giantg2 on Monday November 23, 2020 @08:47PM (#25194337)
Two party consent doesn't matter here. The federal courts have consistently upheld that it is one's first ammendment right to record public officials in the performance of their duties. As a member of the public, you are permitted to record your interactions with police.

Now, could it still end badly? Sure. If they are willing to break the law for a bribe, then why not take it further if they find out you are recording.

Re:Apple’s head of security indicted in Santa Clara County C... by btilly on Monday November 23, 2020 @09:39PM (#25194690)
Local police have been noticeably resistant to rules allowing recording. A large fraction of the civil rights violations documented by Amnesty International against BLM protestors were exactly against people who were only recording what was going on.

Therefore no matter how much you might be within the right, I would personally not be willing to record the police unless it was under the direction of another police force that was ready to barge in.

Re:Apple’s head of security indicted in Santa Clara County C... by giantg2 on Monday November 23, 2020 @10:08PM (#25194854)
Well, you do it without their knowledge of course. Cellphone in pocket for audio, etc. When dealing with corrupt people, secrecy is paramount.
Re:Apple’s head of security indicted in Santa Clara County C... by btilly on Monday November 23, 2020 @10:42PM (#25195054)
And now they just claim that it wasn't them in the recording. The concealment doesn't exactly help audio quality.
Re:Apple’s head of security indicted in Santa Clara County C... by o-__-o on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @12:29AM (#25195585)
Secret recording protip: get the target to identify themselves in a unique manner. Such as affirmative responses when called by their name and nickname. A certain action others can corroborate such as a triple high pitched sneeze. Or sounds that are unique to them such as a cell phone text message chime. Combine the above for maximum impact.

Present this to a lawyer and watch them work their magic.

Good luck!

Re:Apple’s head of security indicted in Santa Clara County C... by giantg2 on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @07:27AM (#25197809)
I currently have a case where a trooper lied to a judge to conceal exculpatory evidence and it is documented. I emailed a few firms for a free consultation. So far I have not found a civil lawyer willing to take it. Decided to email the ACLU too, so we'll see if we hear back from them.
Re:Apple’s head of security indicted in Santa Clara County C... by o-__-o on Wednesday November 25, 2020 @09:09PM (#25216247)
You should listen to the reason why all of those civil lawyers are not willing to take it. Listen very carefully. I would advise you to believe the word of several people telling you why it’s not possible...
Re:Apple’s head of security indicted in Santa Clara County C... by giantg2 on Thursday November 26, 2020 @02:09PM (#25222761)
No one has told me it's not possible. I have a trooper and a lawyer from a other area of law telling me it sounds like a good case. The lawyers that I have contacted only a few days ago simply haven't responded yet.
Re:Apple’s head of security indicted in Santa Clara County C... by giantg2 on Monday November 23, 2020 @10:47PM (#25195077)
If we're going down that rabbit hole... then it's all tyranny and should be torn down and rebuilt to fit the rule of law.
Re:Apple’s head of security indicted in Santa Clara County C... by cgriswald on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @01:03PM (#25201061)
Which federal court ruled you could record the police in private in a two-party consent jurisdiction?
Re:Apple’s head of security indicted in Santa Clara County C... by giantg2 on Thursday November 26, 2020 @02:18PM (#25222817)
If they are on-duty, they have no expectation of privacy.

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_2201016?guccounter=1&guce...

Re:Apple’s head of security indicted in Santa Clara County C... by cgriswald on Friday November 27, 2020 @12:00AM (#25225665)
And do you think it's likely they'll be 'on duty' when this discussion occurs?

You're really trying very hard to downplay the risk of gathering this evidence. If you are discovered and you gathered evidence, you might have that evidence confiscated or you might just be dead. If you are discovered but didn't manage to get the evidence, you might be charged with wiretapping. (Or they might just kill you anyway.) Even if all works out in the end, you're looking at a legal battle. (Most people don't want to be the one fighting a case that sets precedence even if federal courts largely seem to rule in their favor.) And all that struggle is for evidence that might not even convince anyone to start an investigation and/or may not be admitted to court.