Re:A new jailbreak for a new era
by colejohnson66 on Monday November 23, 2020 @06:55PM
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It didn’t help that the more popular jailbreaking became, the more demanding the community seemed to become.
For sure, /r/jailbreak is a cesspit at the best of times. Probably doesn't help it's overrun by presumably teenagers.
Hacker News thinks jailbreaking is for an abstract concept of liberation.
Reddit thinks it’s a way to permanently store nudes from Snapchat.
Ironically the people who jailbreak their iPhones to save nudes from Snapchat are also the same people who have never received a nude on Snapchat.
There was a while where basically all the jailbreaks were closed source and I think one bundled an app store from a Chinese company only and locked cydia out?
Definitely that period made me glad I had switched to android. If I'm running an exploit on my own device to take control, it damn well better be open source so I can be confident I am the only one getting control.
Unfortunately all the jailbreaks in use today are closed source and obfuscated to some extent :(
The moral issues with open source weapons--which is what jailbreaks should and need be considered--are myriad, as you empower increasingly weak and diverse adversaries the easier you make it to retool for different purposes. I appreciate that opinions on this matter differ; but I've struggled with these issues for well over a decade, and I still believe that "open sourcing" (which is an action that lies along a continuum) a jailbreak tool is are not ethical (and so am somewhat relieved to hear that this one isn't truly open source; though I fear that, given the authors, the parts kept closed source may be serving the wrong goal).
Re:A new jailbreak for a new era
by lovelyviking on Monday November 23, 2020 @10:37PM
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>Unfortunately all the jailbreaks in use today are closed source and obfuscated to some extent
In that case why we call it a Jail-Break? I would rather call it a Jail-Switch/Choice ...
It's another Jail if I still don't have a full control.
You should have full control of the resulting system: the concept of having control is unrelated to knowing how you got said control.
Re:A new jailbreak for a new era
by lovelyviking on Thursday November 26, 2020 @10:26PM
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In case you indeed got full control. How do you know?May be someone else got full control and you got only part of control or illusion of full control with backdoor for them.
Re:A new jailbreak for a new era
by userbinator on Monday November 23, 2020 @11:48PM
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Because the creators realise that Apple is actively fighting them.
No, not at all. Apple usually fixes bugs before a jailbreak comes out for them.
Re:A new jailbreak for a new era
by cmeacham98 on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @06:47AM
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The linked jailbreak claims to be fully open source, although I haven't bothered verifying that.
It's not; there's more than a few zipped up binaries in that repo.
It's still somewhat fragmented. This jailbreak is of course coming from one of those fragments.
Re:A new jailbreak for a new era
by Wowfunhappy on Monday November 23, 2020 @09:21PM
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I suppose the issue is that I have... opinions... as to which fragment was mostly responsible for stirring up pointless drama.
I don't even remember what all the drama was about—as I recall, it was exceedingly stupid—but I know it was nasty enough to drive Saurik and much of the rest of the old guard away from the Jailbreak community for good. I really, really hope that ugliness is behind us. The Jailbreaking scene could use everyone's talent.