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Re:PC Life After Apple Silicon by foldr on Monday November 23, 2020 @07:26AM (#25186002)
The reaction to this in tech circles has been surprisingly muted IMO. You used to see lots of posts complaining about how Apple didn't innovate and just slapped hefty price tags on generic components. That line of criticism has not aged well. Now there are lots of people complaining about minor transitional issues that are essentially caused by the low end macs - that aren't intended for demanding pros - having enough raw performance (but not enough RAM or ports) to almost be good enough for them.

Apple have successfully executed a bigger R&D project than any PC manufacturer in history. (In fact, the R&D costs probably wouldn't even have been a good investment if Apple only sold laptops and desktops.) As a result, the base model Macbook Air now offers objectively better value for money than any competing laptop, when considering just the basic metrics of performance, form factor and battery life. To me that's outrageously impressive.

I suspect Apple are going to move to a Mac product line structured more like their iPhone product line. When you buy an iPhone you always get way more performance than you really need, even if you buy the cheapest model. PC manufacturers have to differentiate on performance because Intel and AMD won't sell their fastest chips for cheap, but Apple has a lot more flexibility now.

Re:PC Life After Apple Silicon by theodric on Monday November 23, 2020 @07:42AM (#25186144)
Can we please stop pretending that Sun- and SGI-developed 100% in-house architecture/board/graphics/OS was never a thing? Apple's merely returned to tradition here by releasing a proprietary RISC workstation.
Re:PC Life After Apple Silicon by foldr on Monday November 23, 2020 @07:46AM (#25186166)
I guess "PC manufacturer" is open to interpretation somewhat, but I was thinking of companies making mass market consumer products. For sure Apple isn't the first company to achieve this level of vertical integration in a product (although the overall complexity of the components is vastly higher than when Sun did it).
Re:PC Life After Apple Silicon by lou1306 on Monday November 23, 2020 @07:52AM (#25186218)
> That line of criticism has not aged well

That does not mean it wasn't true. Fourth-gen Macbook Pros were rather meh, coming after the much acclaimed 3rd-gen (not to mention the keyboard fiasco). 2012 MBPs are still sought after today; will anybody really look for a 2018 MBP in 2026?

> Apple have successfully executed a bigger R&D project than any PC manufacturer in history.

That's a testament to the greatness of the open architecture, actually. No single PC manufacturer ever needed to innovate on the core HW, as they could reap the benefits of Intel/Nvidia/AMD's R&D. This allowed for cheaper PCs which penetrated our world much faster than the previous fragmented microcomputer offer. Granted, this also led to a "race to the bottom" wrt. stuff like trackpads and displays, but let's also look at the bright side for a moment :)

> As a result, the base model Macbook Air now offers objectively better value for money than any competing laptop, when considering just the basic metrics of performance, form factor and battery life.

Still, I agree with you on that. All benchmarks (not only from the magazines, but also those from tech Twitter) point to a paradigm shift in what people will expect from a PC a few years from now.

Re:PC Life After Apple Silicon by izacus on Monday November 23, 2020 @07:56AM (#25186250)
> The reaction to this in tech circles has been surprisingly muted IMO.

It's still a proprietary chip, available in a single type of device built for certain type of people with no ability so source those chips for other use-cases.

Apple users will browse faster on the go. And they're ecstatic. For most non-Apple users this won't be a life-changing event. Most people currently have COVID and other things on their mind vs. faster browser benchmarks.

Re:PC Life After Apple Silicon by foldr on Monday November 23, 2020 @08:07AM (#25186346)
>For most non-Apple users this won't be a life-changing event.

Neither are occasional reliability issues with butterfly keyboards, but people seem to get more excited about that issue here than they do about the M1. As a tech nerd that doesn't make sense to me. But of course people are free to get excited or not about whatever they like.