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Re:When tipping was considered un-American (2015) by playcache on Sunday November 22, 2020 @10:07AM (#25177969)
One thing I have never got my head around as a European is that tipping with the Americam interpretation is self defeating its original purpose.

When I tip (outside the US) its done so as a genuine expression of gratitude for good service. It's my way of encouraging and rewarding good service. If its done under compulsion than its no longer a tip, it's a charge and good service is relegated as less meaningful.

Re:When tipping was considered un-American (2015) by pmoriarty on Sunday November 22, 2020 @10:19AM (#25178057)
"When I tip (outside the US) its done so as a genuine expression of gratitude for good service. It's my way of encouraging and rewarding good service. If its done under compulsion than its no longer a tip, it's a charge and good service is relegated as less meaningful."

That's interesting.

When in Europe I've found it pretty common to see a "tip" section in the bill, where the tip is already added on to the bill by the management and counted in to total you have to pay.

That's rare in the US, where at most one sees a "suggested amount", and usually tipping is completely optional.

Re:When tipping was considered un-American (2015) by cmdshiftf4 on Sunday November 22, 2020 @11:11AM (#25178574)
>When in Europe I've found it pretty common to see a "tip" section in the bill

I can't recall having ever seen this despite having travelled, and indeed continuing to travel, Europe extensively.

A denoted service charge is not uncommon, but I would be interested to see where exactly you believe the above to be commonly experienced.

Re:When tipping was considered un-American (2015) by pmoriarty on Sunday November 22, 2020 @12:09PM (#25179033)
"I would be interested to see where exactly you believe the above to be commonly experienced."

In the Netherlands, Norway, Sweden, Czech, I've found it to be pretty common. It could have been other countries as well, as I traveled relatively widely, mostly in Northern and Eastern Europe myself. But unfortunately I didn't keep a log of exactly where this happened. Just noticed it happened a lot, and was more the rule rather than the exception.

Re:When tipping was considered un-American (2015) by jb1991 on Sunday November 22, 2020 @02:36PM (#25180321)
It is quite uncommon in the Netherlands. I see it on maybe 3% of all restaurant bills.
Re:When tipping was considered un-American (2015) by pmoriarty on Sunday November 22, 2020 @03:48PM (#25180929)
Well, maybe they've changed. I admit it's been more than a decade since I visited, so I wouldn't be that surprised if they started doing things more like Americans over time, as part of the McDonaldization of Europe.
Re:When tipping was considered un-American (2015) by damnencryption on Sunday November 22, 2020 @10:33AM (#25178218)
What's the point of separating it?

Why not just increase the price of the food and service charges to compensate for the salaries?

It feels like some kind of psychological hack where they want price of food to appear cheap on paper till the moment you pay.

Re:When tipping was considered un-American (2015) by ryanbrunner on Sunday November 22, 2020 @03:51PM (#25180953)
Most restaurants that do try to eliminate tips end up having an explicit service charge, rather than trying to bake it into the price of food, simply because otherwise all your food is suddenly 15-20% more expensive than the competition.
Re:When tipping was considered un-American (2015) by pmoriarty on Sunday November 22, 2020 @10:47AM (#25178352)
The point is you don't have to pay an optional tip if you are dissatisfied.

But you do have to pay the full total of your meal regardless of how you felt.

That's why making "tips" mandatory is the scam. It's not a tip if it's mandatory.

Re:When tipping was considered un-American (2015) by ingvul on Sunday November 22, 2020 @02:15PM (#25180140)
I think tipping in Germany is quite established as well, not as a genuine expression of gratitude but because not doing it "looks bad".