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Re:Plato at the Googleplex: Why Philosophy Won't Go Away by rrsmtz on Friday November 20, 2020 @12:43PM (#25162843)
> it does not follow that by adopting the ethics, one is also adopting the religion

Those ethics were created from within a theistic worldview, they weren't born from reason. Adopting the ethics of a religious culture while denying the underlying assumptions is pretty unreasonable.

Re:Plato at the Googleplex: Why Philosophy Won't Go Away by whimsicalism on Friday November 20, 2020 @12:46PM (#25162870)
> Adopting the ethics of a religious culture while denying the underlying assumptions is pretty unreasonable.

Why is that unreasonable? I've "adopted" the basic idea of Newton's gravity but deny the fundamental assumptions regarding the flat spacetime and "gravity as just another force" because general relativity showed those to be incorrect.

Re:Plato at the Googleplex: Why Philosophy Won't Go Away by Nacdor on Friday November 20, 2020 @01:25PM (#25163280)
> Those ethics were created from within a theistic worldview

Animals behave ethically/morally and they have no religion.

It's possible that ethics were first written within a theistic context but that has no bearing on how they were created.

Re:Plato at the Googleplex: Why Philosophy Won't Go Away by dragonwriter on Friday November 20, 2020 @03:39PM (#25164690)
> Those ethics were created from within a theistic worldview, they weren't born from reason.

In many case, they were both; the existence of a theistic worldview does not prevent the application of reason.

> Adopting the ethics of a religious culture while denying the underlying assumptions is pretty unreasonable.

But we do adopt the relevant foundational assumptions, just not the irrelevant ones, where the conclusions are shared.

Of course, the conclusions are often different, because post-Enlightenment society often rejects substantive, morally significant elements of its precursors (in some cases, pre-existing religions have adapted to this and adopted, in whole or in part, Enlightenment values as well.)

Re:Plato at the Googleplex: Why Philosophy Won't Go Away by FabHK on Friday November 20, 2020 @02:01PM (#25163676)
> Adopting the ethics of a religious culture while denying the underlying assumptions is pretty unreasonable.

Why? Are you saying that just because Islam stresses peace, hospitality, and philanthropy, that one cannot be peaceful, hospitable, and philanthropic without reasonably adopting Islam?

Re:Plato at the Googleplex: Why Philosophy Won't Go Away by mannykannot on Friday November 20, 2020 @05:43PM (#25165958)
Not at all, because secular humanist ethics can be derived without any reference to theistic concepts. That one can not get there by pure reason alone is a non-sequitur, as that applies equally to theologically-motivated ethics.

Furthermore, let's suppose a theologian - for the sake of example, let's say a christian one - insists that I am really a christian, on account of my ethical positions. Well, OK, but if that so, then it follows that being a christian does not involve believing in the Trinity, or that Christ is the son of God, or that God created the universe... in fact, that it does not involve anything beyond holding certain ethical positions, and that christianity is identical with secular humanism!

Of course, it is rare to find an avowed christian who follows this line of thinking to its logical conclusion. Motte-and-bailey argumentation [1] is rampant in theological thinking.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motte-and-bailey_fallacy