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Re:The SEC “Modernizes” the Accredited Investor Definition by JumpCrisscross on Friday November 20, 2020 @12:32AM (#25157584)
The critical factor missed in these discussions is the cost of diligence.

Someone writing a $20,000 cheque cannot spend $2,000 to $5,000 on lawyers every deal. This self selects for getting screwed. I would go so far as to say it is not possible to invest in private markets responsibly, outside one’s employer’s stock, with solely $5 to $25k cheques.

This is different in the public markets where the burden for disclosure is on the issuer. There is still risk. But you can’t buy Apple stock that loses money when Apple goes up. Options are complicated. But the complexity is standardised. It is totally possible, on the other hand, to buy common stock in a company that gets restructured to zero, or invest in an SPV that loses its shares to third-party repurchase rights. No amount of Googling will save you because the terms on each deal are bespoke.

Re:The SEC “Modernizes” the Accredited Investor Definition by est31 on Friday November 20, 2020 @12:42AM (#25157632)
> it is not possible to invest in private markets responsibly, outside one’s employer’s stock

I'd argue that if your employer is still private, investing in their stock is often quite unresponsible as well. Often you don't even get real stock but options, there can be arbitrary dilution, and there is no contractual right for you to get your money back (unlike if you invested money).

Re:The SEC “Modernizes” the Accredited Investor Definition by JumpCrisscross on Friday November 20, 2020 @01:01AM (#25157712)
> investing in their stock is often quite unresponsible as well

Often, but not always. You work there. And you are surrounded by others evaluating the same, or a similar, investment. That creates the possibility of an edge.

That possibility doesn’t exist for non-insiders. Without those advantages you’re relying on “knowing the right guy”. Nothing more.

Re:The SEC “Modernizes” the Accredited Investor Definition by est31 on Friday November 20, 2020 @01:22AM (#25157783)
You work at the place so you are already invested in them, and are surrounded by others who are also already invested in them. So you and your colleagues already do the bet that the startup is going to be successful, which might skew your judgement on further investment. Sure, you know more about the company than a small investor would, but neither of two cases give you a board seat, which would give you insight into how the company is really doing, and there are no regulated shareholder communications like a public company has.
Re:The SEC “Modernizes” the Accredited Investor Definition by JumpCrisscross on Friday November 20, 2020 @02:02AM (#25157955)
Nobody is arguing private employee stock is a good deal. Just that it isn’t necessarily a bad deal.
Re:The SEC “Modernizes” the Accredited Investor Definition by alilsumpinditto on Friday November 20, 2020 @04:42AM (#25158880)
So mush for freedom... I can't learn the law myself? What if I'm already lawyer completely capable of skipping this fee obstacle. Who is anyone to rate the capabilities of an individual?

Wouldn't it be a better, more free, system to just make it law to issue strong warnings suggesting up to $20,000 in legal fees for the inexperienced noobies upon any share issuance.

Re:The SEC “Modernizes” the Accredited Investor Definition by JumpCrisscross on Friday November 20, 2020 @06:47AM (#25159544)
> Wouldn't it be a better, more free, system to just make it law to issue strong warnings suggesting up to $20,000 in legal fees for the inexperienced noobies upon any share issuance

These clauses are already commonplace. People don’t read them. They then turn their losses into a political problem that breeds feel-good laws mandating red tape for everyone. Best case. Worst case: a crisis of confidence in our markets and an ensuing depression.

Better law might be a cap on this asset class as a percent of one’s investable assets?

Re:The SEC “Modernizes” the Accredited Investor Definition by kqvamxurcagg on Friday November 20, 2020 @06:52AM (#25159577)
You raise a good point. The problem with early-stage high risk investments is that investors take a lot of assumptions from the public markets and project them on to private markets where the same rules don't apply.

I have seen many very wealthy investors lose a lot of money on private investments because they haven't understood their share rights relative to other investors. These companies often need to raise further capital at pretty low valuations so they end up being significantly diluted.

However the most important thing is that wealthy investors can afford these losses, other investors much less so. Only after building up significant pension savings and owning a home would I ever advise someone to invest in a higher risk opportunity.