This is an important thing to note about Europe - they don't really care about the security of other European nations. There's no sense of unity.

If there were, they would collectively take a much much harder stance with Russia. This is why Eastern Europe is so much more pro-USA than Western Europe.

yeah it's still everyone for themselves. "Take back control" and "sovereignty" seems to win the more points than "solidarity" or "unity" in the political discourse of many EU countries.

>Ukraine would not agree with that. Russia took Crimea and is supporting a civil war in eastern Ukraine. This may not be much for you but

Crimea was part of Russia for centuries, it has 60%+ citizens of Russian ethnicity, and it had its government toppled and neo-nazis and nationalists come to power in a NATO proxy power play.

It would be like Mexico having an area (say Baja California) with 60% WASP Americans, that has been historically part of the US, and having Mexico's government toppled with the help of a foreign superpower and used against the US.

Would the US annex Baja California then?

Then again, the US have already annexed Texas, Florida, California, New Mexico, Arizona, etc, from Mexico, so there's that...

Outside of sources paid by Kremlin there is no serious confirmation that NATO was somehow involved in toppling Ukraine's govt. There is plainly no united fruit scenario, only a general distaste of russian government, same as elsewhere in eastern europe.

Of course, the US government supports affiliated NGOs as it does elsewhere in the world (and as everyone does), but "power play" means something else.

Yeah, NGOs supported* by US government - doublespeak at its best :)

*supported as in created, instructed and financed.

How doublespeak? That's exactly what support means. There are russian- and chinese- supported organizations and "institutes" everywhere, too. And always were. As long as they aren't doing crime, armed insurrections and shooting down civilian aircrafts by mistake, it's fine by me. If NATO is doing any of that, please provide evidence.