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Re:The Black Hole information loss problem is unsolvable by phkahler on Wednesday November 18, 2020 @08:17PM (#25145090)
>> Her claim is that any solution for the BHIP cannot be falsified, and that strikes me as too pessimistic for two reasons.

No. She said there isn't any data. I know the word falsify has become prominent in the last 15 years or so, but a "theory" that doesn't agree with some real world data is just a hypothesis. In other words a theory needs confirmation in addition to not being falsified. This is where the divide should exist between physics and mathematics. You can have a bunch of cool math, but that's not physics. It's not scientific theory by itself. You can hypothesize that it describes the real world, but until there is confirming evidence that assertion is just mental self-gratification.

Re:The Black Hole information loss problem is unsolvable by mikeappell on Wednesday November 18, 2020 @11:03PM (#25146098)
> until there is confirming evidence that assertion is just mental self-gratification.

I'd say this is a bit overly negative. There's value in developing theories and frameworks which aren't yet provable but should be as soon as technology or other theoretical frameworks catch up.

Re:The Black Hole information loss problem is unsolvable by edgyquant on Wednesday November 18, 2020 @11:19PM (#25146190)
But those, by definition, are not theories they are hypothesis.
Re:The Black Hole information loss problem is unsolvable by mikeappell on Thursday November 19, 2020 @03:24PM (#25153921)
I'm pushing back on describing them as 'mental self-gratification', as that seems like it implies a lack of value in them, potential if not immediate.
Re:The Black Hole information loss problem is unsolvable by phkahler on Thursday November 19, 2020 @09:11PM (#25156684)
>> I'm pushing back on describing them as 'mental self-gratification'

I said "You can have a bunch of cool math, but that's not physics. It's not scientific theory by itself. You can hypothesize that it describes the real world, but until there is confirming evidence that assertion is just mental self-gratification."

The math can be cool - and often is. It's the unsubstantiated claim that it underpins reality that is whackin' ones brain.