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Re:Apple Agrees to Pay $113M to Settle 'Batterygate' Case ov... by gpm on Wednesday November 18, 2020 @06:57PM (#25144382)
The fix for this is simple. Appropriately size the battery when designing and manufacturing the device so that it is still capable of running the device a few years into it's lifetime, instead of a few months.

The after the fact fix for this is also to not refuse to fix your defective devices when customers bring them in under warranty claims, and definitely to not lie about them not being defective.

You don't make pay out the better part of a billion dollars in settlements and fines because you acted responsibly in a way that is hard to explain to consumers. You pay out a billion dollars in settlements because you broke the law.

Re:Apple Agrees to Pay $113M to Settle 'Batterygate' Case ov... by Spooky23 on Wednesday November 18, 2020 @08:20PM (#25145111)
I'm on year 3 of my iPhone 8, with 82% battery health. My total talk time is over 36 days, and I probably actively use it for non-talk tasks for 3-4 hours/day.

In my experience, which included managing and oversight of the operations/budgets for BlackBerry, iPhone and Android fleets with 10-50k devices, early battery death is usually accounted for by poor environmental conditions like temperature extremes. The AFRs didn't change in my experience much at all over time, except that legacy BlackBerries would get battery replacements.

The only outlier was failure rates for Samsung Galaxy phones, which was an operational issue (about 40% more failures if memory serves) -- NOT a defect or problem with the phone itself. They were mostly deployed to field workers operating out of cars or outdoors because Samsung allows a much broader operating range. Extreme cold especially would kick the crap out of the Samsung batteries, especially if they keeping them in outer pockets of winter coats or leaving them mounted to vehicles. Apple is conservative with battery management because the public perception cost of any battery issue is nuclear, as anything Apple is a headline. iPhones have strict shutdown temperatures for both cold and heat. (which make them useless in many outdoor work environments)

Re:Apple Agrees to Pay $113M to Settle 'Batterygate' Case ov... by gpm on Wednesday November 18, 2020 @09:55PM (#25145715)
The complaints here apply to iPhone 6, 6S, SE, and 7. So your iPhone 8 not having the same issue isn't really surprising.

(Article that lists the models involved: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/11/apple-settles-wi...)

Re:Apple Agrees to Pay $113M to Settle 'Batterygate' Case ov... by SuperPaintMan on Wednesday November 18, 2020 @11:37PM (#25146277)
>iPhones have strict shutdown temperatures for both cold and heat. (which make them useless in many outdoor work environments)

Absolutely, I'm in the middle of Saskatchewan where it can get down to -40 and this was my biggest gripe with some of my old iPhones. Weirdly enough my BlackBerries (including my Key2!) managed a bit better. Only major issue I noticed was that capacity would rise when coming into a warmer environ. The Titan seems to be faring pretty well so far this winter, but it also is more battery then phone.

Was always funny walking in and having my phone restart, just to shutdown though.

Re:Apple Agrees to Pay $113M to Settle 'Batterygate' Case ov... by Tepix on Thursday November 19, 2020 @07:54AM (#25148970)
My iPhone 6S shut down in the cold (5°C) with the battery at 40-50%.

Apple replaced the battery.

Re:Apple Agrees to Pay $113M to Settle 'Batterygate' Case ov... by epistasis on Wednesday November 18, 2020 @07:05PM (#25144456)
Yikes, how many phones did this affect after only a few months? That's an entirely new thing that I hadn't heard before.
Re:Apple Agrees to Pay $113M to Settle 'Batterygate' Case ov... by Bud on Wednesday November 18, 2020 @07:08PM (#25144500)
Approximately zero. And obviously, those would have been covered under warranty.

The reason you haven't heard this before is that it didn't happen.

Re:Apple Agrees to Pay $113M to Settle 'Batterygate' Case ov... by gpm on Wednesday November 18, 2020 @07:11PM (#25144514)
Apple did not consider "my (friends) phone has been throttled because of the battery" as sufficient cause to replace the battery under warranty.
Re:Apple Agrees to Pay $113M to Settle 'Batterygate' Case ov... by darksaints on Wednesday November 18, 2020 @07:13PM (#25144533)
They weren't covered under my warranty.
Re:Apple Agrees to Pay $113M to Settle 'Batterygate' Case ov... by jiggawatts on Wednesday November 18, 2020 @07:53PM (#25144909)
It was covered under my warranty.

Either the warranty expired -- in which case it isn't a "few months", or it was within the warranty period, in which case it is covered.

Re:Apple Agrees to Pay $113M to Settle 'Batterygate' Case ov... by darksaints on Wednesday November 18, 2020 @09:11PM (#25145437)
Nope. Less than 8 months old. Battery was too degraded to run as normal, but didn't pass the threshold for replacement.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25144122

But don't take my word for it. RTFA. This lawsuit was settled because of the exact scenario I described.

Re:Apple Agrees to Pay $113M to Settle 'Batterygate' Case ov... by gpm on Wednesday November 18, 2020 @07:08PM (#25144488)
Not sure in terms of numbers, you might be able to find it if you dug through the court documents. It's not a rare anecdote though, for instance see this comment currently slightly below this thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25144122