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Re:Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Fac... by matwood on Sunday November 15, 2020 @08:00AM (#25100830)
Can we agree that there is a difference between an on screen nipple or saying fuck on TV and the POTUS actively undermining democracy?

The general talk of free speech and censoring is not really useful here without specifics. Just like someone can't yell 'fire' in a crowded theater, there are other things we are finding that may be similar in nature. I think a more useful discussion could be around the specifics. Should the POTUS be able to communicate anything they want? Should platforms be forced to carry it?

Re:Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Fac... by 0x445442 on Sunday November 15, 2020 @10:41AM (#25101986)
So you think Trump is the first POTUS to make objectively false statements and have those amplified over mass media?
Re:Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Fac... by macintux on Sunday November 15, 2020 @11:06AM (#25102175)
I think he’s the first to do so on the scale of thousands of such statements.
Re:Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Fac... by matwood on Sunday November 15, 2020 @11:02AM (#25102138)
First? No. Most prolific? I think so. He's also one of the first to make heavy use of direct social media, which is different than mass media of old.

Notice also I didn't say Trump, but POTUS in general. What do we want to do here going forward? Should the POTUS be treated differently than a private citizen?

What this current period reminds me of historically is McCarthyism, except we have the POTUS lobbing baseless claims instead of a senator. I don't think McCarthyism impacted the general public as much as claims undermining the election does though.

Re:Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Fac... by 0x445442 on Sunday November 15, 2020 @11:45AM (#25102508)
The problem is not all the claims you might consider baseless actually are and neither you nor I have any way of really knowing.
Re:Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Fac... by giantg2 on Sunday November 15, 2020 @10:52AM (#25102069)
Which one hasn't, might be a better question.
Re:Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Fac... by coldtea on Monday November 16, 2020 @12:35AM (#25108433)
>the POTUS actively undermining democracy?

I think the "POTUS actively undermining democracy" is a gaslighting / pearl clutching for what is a crass person but otherwise business as usual in the White House...

Apparently Patriot Act, mass surveillance, Guantanamo, the "WMD", Echelon, trillion dollar bailouts, false congress testimonies, etc weren't "undermining democracy", but an old guy tweeting some braggadocio/BS is.

And those that designed, established, and voted those things (e.g. Clinton, Bush, and Obama) are all love for each other, and all stand "united" against the "big threat" that is this guy...

Talk about a circus...

Re:Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Fac... by pjc50 on Monday November 16, 2020 @03:45AM (#25109518)
We're downvoting you, but there is a valid point: many of those things are also bad. The false narrative that started the Iraq war had bi-partisan support and was popular with the public.

Treating everything as if there were only two sides is part of the problem. But I see dissent within the democrat party over these issues - and not within the republican party, who have supported everything that Trump has said and done.