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Re:Does Apple really log every app you run? A technical look by zepto on Saturday November 14, 2020 @09:07PM (#25097548)
Apple hasn’t banned any developers who stand against them.
Re:Does Apple really log every app you run? A technical look by tsimionescu on Sunday November 15, 2020 @04:11AM (#25099548)
They have used security features of their OSs to ban developers who were simply in breach of contract with Apple, but not distributing malware or any other kind of content harmful to users.

Sure, Apple was completely in the right to stop distributing Epic software after they breached their contract with Apple. But Epic didn't breach any contract with their users, so there was no reason to remove Epic's software from user devices, or affect companies redistributing Epic software. Those are obvious overreach.

Re:Does Apple really log every app you run? A technical look by zepto on Sunday November 15, 2020 @02:47PM (#25104128)
“Simply in breach of contract with Apple”

Epic lied about the content of their software. If Apple doesn’t remove software from suppliers who lie about the contents, people will continue to exploit this.

There was no overreach. This was the consequence of Epic intentionally lying about the content a software update.

It’s also worth pointing out that Epic expected this result, and caused it on purpose. Both Apple, and the court gave them the chance to rectify the situation which they refused.

That makes Epic responsible for the outcome. No one else.

Re:Does Apple really log every app you run? A technical look by tsimionescu on Sunday November 15, 2020 @07:25PM (#25106459)
Didn't Epic actually create an entire presentation video advertising the contents of their update?

Again, I fully agree that Epic was knowingly in breach of their contract with Apple, and wanted to use the public as leverage. But that doesn't, in any way, make their update malicious for the end user.

Re:Does Apple really log every app you run? A technical look by zepto on Sunday November 15, 2020 @08:45PM (#25107040)
The presentation video was released after the update was submitted to the store with the contents hidden and activated later.

As for whether the update was malicious for the end user, we could say we trust epic to operate a payment method, and therefore the update was not malicious.

But there are many actors who would use this exact same methodology, and the update is malicious. Such Trojans exist on Android.

Security policies always prevent behaviors that could be used for non-malicious purposes.

If the argument is that the end users should be the ones to decide, it’s really just another way of saying that Apple shouldn’t be allowed to enforce any security policy.

Of course there are those who believe that Apple shouldn’t be able to enforce security policies, but there is no overreach here.

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Re:Does Apple really log every app you run? A technical look by ethbr0 on Saturday November 14, 2020 @09:24PM (#25097650)
You'd be more aligned with HN values by refuting parent's point with examples than making ad hom attacks.
Re:Does Apple really log every app you run? A technical look by angry_octet on Sunday November 15, 2020 @05:09AM (#25099843)
It is nevertheless the case that some users are VERY LOUD on particular topics, essentially repeating themselves on many leafs of the discussion. I find this very tiresome. It isn't an ad hom to point this out.
Re:Does Apple really log every app you run? A technical look by zepto on Sunday November 15, 2020 @02:50PM (#25104156)
This is true. I’d be totally up for a ‘no repetition’ rule, however that’s completely impractical.

I find myself repeating certain points, usually because I am responding to repeated points.

Having said this, I do it because sometimes the person I am responding to says something new. It sounds like their point is a repeat, but they turn out to have a point of view that is different when you challenge them about it.

Re:Does Apple really log every app you run? A technical look by brabel on Sunday November 15, 2020 @02:40AM (#25099122)
The accuser should also be held to the same standard. Without evidence those are just empty words.
Re:Does Apple really log every app you run? A technical look by novok on Sunday November 15, 2020 @06:33PM (#25106053)
Just look at our comment history, it's pretty easy lol