Please don't take HN threads further into ideological or political flamewar. The last thing we need here is yet another angry, generic argument between left ideology and right ideology. Those are utterly repetitive, and therefore tedious, and therefore off topic on HN.

That's not to say the issues aren't important; of course they are. But this site has a particular scope and repetitive flamewars aren't in it.

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor...

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Please see also https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25086595. 40+ comments in a thread like this is beyond excessive.