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Re:Gig economy companies spent more than $200M to bankroll P... by AnthonyMouse on Friday November 13, 2020 @10:19AM (#25083123)
If a furniture company gives you a contract to build them some chairs, do they give you the contact info for each person who buys a chair from them? Why would that make the chair manufacturer an employee of the retailer?

Moreover, how is this not available to the driver? They're in the car with the passenger already. The driver and passenger could exchange contact info if they wanted to, how is Uber going to stop them? This doesn't happen not because Uber is preventing it but because the passenger is. The next time they need a ride they don't want to have to call five drivers to find one who is in the area and available, they want to open the app and have it find one for them.

Re:Gig economy companies spent more than $200M to bankroll P... by jhayward on Friday November 13, 2020 @11:52AM (#25084201)
The "furniture company" analogy is specious.

Uber doesn't claim to be a transportation company.

It claims to be a marketplace, putting transportation consumers in touch with providers. Except it "owns" the customer relationship and dictates many aspects of the provider activity and equipment.

Re:Gig economy companies spent more than $200M to bankroll P... by boomboomsubban on Friday November 13, 2020 @10:27AM (#25083220)
>If a furniture company gives you a contract to build them some chairs, do they give you the contact info for each person who buys a chair from them

No, you put your brand on the chairs and if the customer likes them they can buy from you again.

And I imagine Uber does forbid selling other services during rides. If not, I feel like Uber rides would be full of people pushing multi-level marketing.

Re:Gig economy companies spent more than $200M to bankroll P... by sokoloff on Friday November 13, 2020 @10:40AM (#25083361)
More than half of my Ubers in Las Vegas were pushing other services, handing out business cards for me to cut Uber out of the loop for the next ride, offering to take us to strip clubs for free, or something else.

If Uber wants to crack down on this, it's openly happening in Vegas.

Re:Gig economy companies spent more than $200M to bankroll P... by Jommi on Friday November 13, 2020 @10:42AM (#25083383)
Why are you even participating in conversation when you have not researched this at all? Uber doesn't forbid selling other services. Your point stands on flimsy sticks that are purely from your imagination.
Re:Gig economy companies spent more than $200M to bankroll P... by boomboomsubban on Friday November 13, 2020 @11:42AM (#25084062)
Uber has signed deals allowing their drivers to sell other products during trips, I still bet its banned and poorly enforced at least.

https://www.uber.com/newsroom/uber-cargo-teaming-raise-prote...

Re:Gig economy companies spent more than $200M to bankroll P... by rkho on Friday November 13, 2020 @02:53PM (#25086618)
> I still bet

Full stop, this is when you cross the line into baseless speculation.

Unless you have solid objective facts, it's disingenuous to continue propping up an argument with meritless speculation.

Re:Gig economy companies spent more than $200M to bankroll P... by boomboomsubban on Friday November 13, 2020 @03:14PM (#25086917)
Objective fact, someone was willing to pay Uber for the right to sell to their customers. Uber seems to have some amount of control.
Re:Gig economy companies spent more than $200M to bankroll P... by AnthonyMouse on Friday November 13, 2020 @10:39AM (#25083358)
> No, you put your brand on the chairs and if the customer likes them they can buy from you again.

In what way is this different than putting your phone number inside your car where the passenger can take it down if they want it?

> And I imagine Uber does forbid selling other services during rides. If not, I feel like Uber rides would be full of people pushing multi-level marketing.

I can't actually find the Uber driver agreement on the internet, but pyramid schemes are illegal, and drivers who peddle scummy garbage to passengers are liable to get bad reviews, so there is no reason to expect that a lack of this would have to be because Uber prohibits it.

Re:Gig economy companies spent more than $200M to bankroll P... by boomboomsubban on Friday November 13, 2020 @11:52AM (#25084203)
>but pyramid schemes are illegal, and drivers who peddle scummy garbage to passengers are liable to get bad reviews, so there is no reason to expect that a lack of this would have to be because Uber prohibits it.

Multi-level marketing is still common, and often the payoff might be worth your rating getting tanked.

If nothing else, it seems like stories of this happening would be common. Even just "if you listen to my fifteen minute thing on timeshares, I'll pay for your ride."

Re:Gig economy companies spent more than $200M to bankroll P... by syshum on Saturday November 14, 2020 @09:48AM (#25092575)
You might be able to put your brand on it, but there is nothing forbidding a company from contracting with another company to make a product and put their own house brand on it.

Happens all the time, see the equate brand at Walmart or the Kroger brand at Kroger

Sure those are larger scale but there is nothing stopping Acme Furniture from contacting with Joe Woodworker to make them some chairs branded Acme Furniture where the customer has no idea who Joe Woodworker is nor is Joe Woodworker an employee of Acme Furniture

This is not uncommon in the Services industry as well, hell Software development is full of Subcontracting where Company A will contract development to Company B who will hire Freelancer C to do the work, Company A may never know who Freelance C is, and to the extend they do they may not know the contractual relationship between Company B and freelance C (i.e are they an employee or a contractor)

This happens in alot of industries and has since the dawn of employment, Uber just has a different scale

Re:Gig economy companies spent more than $200M to bankroll P... by JumpCrisscross on Friday November 13, 2020 @10:52AM (#25083495)
> you put your brand on the chairs and if the customer likes them they can buy from you again

When I go to a new city, I make note of great Uber drivers. I then hire them directly. Often, they become a porter of sorts. I pay them to drive but also e.g. for taking out laundry and recommending places of interest.

Re:Gig economy companies spent more than $200M to bankroll P... by Alex3917 on Friday November 13, 2020 @11:05AM (#25083650)
> I then hire them directly.

Which can get them kicked off the app, and leave them with tens of thousands of dollars in car loans that they have no way of repaying. That's what makes them employees and not independent contractors, the fact that they aren't allowed to do this.

Re:Gig economy companies spent more than $200M to bankroll P... by JumpCrisscross on Friday November 13, 2020 @11:10AM (#25083701)
> Which can get them kicked off the app

Can you cite a single example of this?

Re:Gig economy companies spent more than $200M to bankroll P... by rkho on Friday November 13, 2020 @02:54PM (#25086647)
> and leave them with tens of thousands of dollars in car loans that they have no way of repaying

This assumes every single driver on the platform is a debtor of subprime auto loans.

Re:Gig economy companies spent more than $200M to bankroll P... by akiselev on Friday November 13, 2020 @01:43PM (#25085836)
The furniture company takes on all the risk when they buy inventory. Uber drivers provide a service
Re:Gig economy companies spent more than $200M to bankroll P... by AlexTWithBeard on Friday November 13, 2020 @02:16PM (#25086215)
So they took the risk building an infrastructure. What's the difference?