CISA: The November 3rd election was the most secure in American history

Re:CISA: The November 3rd election was the most secure in Am... by JumpCrisscross on Thursday November 12, 2020 @11:24PM (#25078856)

> Mail-in ballots are secret ballots

I’ve knocked on doors in New Jersey and Pennsylvania. Many registered Democrats (usually the wife) denied being Democrats when their partners were around. I thought this was an error in our data until I revisited the neighbourhood. Husband wasn’t home. Wife scolded us. He is an ardent Republican and wouldn’t appreciate how she votes.

Mail-in ballots let voters verify their vote to third parties. That opens them up to external influence, positive (pay for votes) or negative (fired for voting wrong).

We had no choice this year. But there is a real tradeoff in privacy for vulnerable people. We shouldn't lose sight of that trade-off while pushing for turnout.

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Re:CISA: The November 3rd election was the most secure in Am... by Larrikin on Friday November 13, 2020 @12:27AM (#25079204)

Isn't the actual problem the abusive relationship and that pressure to vote a certain way a symptom? The solution isn't to ban mail in ballots for those that want to vote that way, but to offer assistance to empower people to get out of that situation. It's already illegal to take a picture of your ballot to address these kinds of abuses.

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Re:CISA: The November 3rd election was the most secure in Am... by JumpCrisscross on Friday November 13, 2020 @12:42AM (#25079283)

> Isn't the actual problem the abusive relationship and that pressure to vote a certain way a symptom? The solution isn't to ban no mail in ballots for those that want to vote that way, but to offer assistance to empower people to get out of that situation.

If a voting system requires zero abusive power dynamics to work, it’s a bad system.

Also, banning mail-in ballots isn’t the only solution. Early voting is an alternative to mailed ballots. Letting someone re-vote a mailed-in ballot at a poll site is a fix to the cited problem, though it introduces complexity.

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Re:CISA: The November 3rd election was the most secure in Am... by Larrikin on Friday November 13, 2020 @12:43AM (#25079291)

All of the above seems like the best solution

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Re:CISA: The November 3rd election was the most secure in Am... by JumpCrisscross on Friday November 13, 2020 @12:44AM (#25079301)

I agree. Was just responding to OP saying “mail-in ballots are secret ballots.” They are not. To return to our status quo of secret ballots, a mail-in ballot system needs additional thought.

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Re:CISA: The November 3rd election was the most secure in Am... by zepto on Friday November 13, 2020 @12:32PM (#25084897)

How exactly do mail in ballots let voters verify their vote to third parties?

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Re:CISA: The November 3rd election was the most secure in Am... by pstrateman on Friday November 13, 2020 @02:48PM (#25086563)

They fill-in the ballot in front of them and seal the envelope.

Or worse the voter gives the other person the empty ballot with a signed envelope.

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