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Re:Screw the Mars hype. Here's why we should move to Venus by taylodl on Thursday November 12, 2020 @09:01AM (#25069879)
To hell with the Mars and Venus hype - let's create an actual settlement on the Moon! Step one in doing that is creating an actual space station - not just an orbiting can that a few people can survive in. An actual station with regularly-scheduled flights people can utilize to go to and from the Earth - flights on a craft resembling an airplane and taking off and landing at a place more akin to an airport. Likewise, we need regularly-scheduled flights between the space station and the Moon port. This way we have a steady supply of people and material going to and from the Moon. Once we've gotten to the point where we can demonstrate the viability of a small village on the Moon complete with everything such a village requires, then we can talk about going to Mars.

Until then I'm calling these Mars settlement fantasies head-up-your-arse rubbish! Besides which, who knows? Perhaps after extensive experience living in space and living on the Moon we may decide there are advantages to not wasting your time clinging to rocky planets. Or vice-versa. Or we may discover pros/cons to each and which kinds of people or more adaptable to which. As it is we can't say anything because we have no real experience living anywhere else but on Earth.

Re:Screw the Mars hype. Here's why we should move to Venus by ASalazarMX on Thursday November 12, 2020 @02:05PM (#25073537)
> An actual station with regularly-scheduled flights people can utilize to go to and from the Earth

Consider that Elon is talking about one-way trips to settle Mars. People won't fly back to Earth for decades, if not generations. The objective is settling Mars, not making a spaceport.

Re:Screw the Mars hype. Here's why we should move to Venus by taylodl on Thursday November 12, 2020 @05:56PM (#25076373)
And if you're serious about settling Mars then you need to think strategically, not tactically. The goal of chess is to force a checkmate. That's not your first move.
Re:Screw the Mars hype. Here's why we should move to Venus by ASalazarMX on Thursday November 12, 2020 @06:51PM (#25076966)
That is a strategic option. Given the interplanetary shuttle capacity Earth has now (read: zero), doing one-way trips is the quickest and less costly way to find if Mars can be settled. Volunteers are told they would be risking their lives, because doing round trips is unfeasible yet.

Establishing round trips from Earth to Mars would need several Space Xs to finance it, or that the current one thrives for some decades more. Governments are not interested on it if it doesn't translate to votes.