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Re:Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end... by Tepix on Thursday November 12, 2020 @04:09AM (#25067945)
The Macbook Air with 16GB RAM and 512GB isn't really priced competitively here in Germany. It's almost 1600€.
Re:Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end... by blunte on Thursday November 12, 2020 @06:53AM (#25068831)
It's not trying to compete with German PCs (which have some nice options, but yet are Windows PCs, not Macs).

I'm not an Apple fanboy, and I'm still very displeased with many of their decisions (touchbar being #1 on MBPs). But if you consider the packaging (small, light, sturdy, now-decent keyboard), and consider their performance, and then consider macOS, I think they are more than competitive.

Even if you match every spec, including size/weight and durability, it comes down to Windows vs macOS. Ironically, macOS is free while Windows is not, but macOS is worth more (to me and many others).

Re:Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end... by mumblemumble on Thursday November 12, 2020 @08:43AM (#25069735)
I got a new computer from work last year. I spent quite a while carefully studying my options, and what I saw came down to this:

If you're only looking for computers that are comparable according to the usual hardware specs (cpu, ram, etc.), a Mac costs 25-50% more than the cheapest comparable PC.

If you also throw ergonomic factors like weight and battery life into the comparison, there's no price difference.

(This was USA prices.)

Re:Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end... by dbspin on Thursday November 12, 2020 @11:28AM (#25071518)
Macs are significantly cheaper in the US than in Europe.
Re:Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end... by enragedcacti on Thursday November 12, 2020 @08:37AM (#25069675)
> macOS is free while Windows is not

what laptop are you buying where you need to purchase a Windows license?

Re:Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end... by blunte on Thursday November 12, 2020 @08:45AM (#25069753)
The manufacturer of your laptop has paid Microsoft for the OS and is passing that cost on to you in the total price (excluding MS hardware such as the Surface).

Or if you buy a bare system or build your own, you need to buy Windows yourself.

Apple gives their OS away, but in theory you can only run it on their hardware.

Re:Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end... by enragedcacti on Thursday November 12, 2020 @01:46PM (#25073254)
When you buy a Mac you are subsidizing the development of that free OS. The the price of the OS is baked into the MSRP in both cases. Comparing the prices is apples-to-apples. Also, Microsoft has made it clear that Windows 10 will be around for a long time, so OS upgrades don't work the same way Windows once did.
Re:Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end... by eertami on Thursday November 12, 2020 @08:49AM (#25069784)
>Apple gives their OS away, but in theory you can only run it on their hardware.

If you don't understand why this isn't free then I have a bridge to sell you.

Re:Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end... by moogleii on Thursday November 12, 2020 @11:56AM (#25071762)
If the bridge auto-upgrades itself for free for the next 8 years after the initial capital expenditures, I'm sure you'll easily find buyers.
Re:Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end... by fluffything on Thursday November 12, 2020 @08:09AM (#25069426)
I have a MacBook Air 2012, and have been waiting to upgrade for... 2 years already. The laptop will probably end up being 10 years old by the time I upgrade...

- crappy webcam,

- no built-in SD card reader (a 1TB SD card is ~200$, and my music does not need to be stored on an expensive SSD)

- magsafe.. if this was the only downgrade, I'd upgrade, but TBH I love magsafe on my mac and I would miss it if I upgrade.

Re:Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end... by blunte on Thursday November 12, 2020 @08:39AM (#25069699)
Eliminating MagSafe for power ports was one of the Apple choices I hated. So many times something has happened and ripped my power cable off my 2014 MBP, and MagSafe saved the laptop from damage or a fall. And worse, Apple has now applied new and different meaning to the same name :(.
Re:Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end... by sroussey on Thursday November 12, 2020 @09:54AM (#25070485)
Just buy a USB magsafe type cable for $20 and be done with it.
Re:Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end... by fluffything on Friday November 13, 2020 @04:31AM (#25080635)
can you recommend one? all the ones i've found have horrible reviews
Re:Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end... by eertami on Thursday November 12, 2020 @08:35AM (#25069653)
>macOS is free

Oh wow, that's cool, I didn't know that. Do you have a link to where I can download the free edition of macOS? Google doesn't seem to be helping me.

Re:Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end... by blunte on Thursday November 12, 2020 @08:42AM (#25069731)
Depends on your country, but here's a US example: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/macos-catalina/id1466841314?ls...
Re:Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end... by graycrow on Thursday November 12, 2020 @04:58AM (#25068257)
€1665 in Czechia, and we have much lower purchasing power.
Re:Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end... by eru on Thursday November 12, 2020 @05:27AM (#25068421)
To be honest, you'd expect widely traded good to trade at the same prices, regardless of local purchasing power.
Re:Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end... by learnstats2 on Thursday November 12, 2020 @06:10AM (#25068630)
The price seems to be the same except for tax. Germany has a 16% rate (July-Dec 2020) and Czechia 21% for sales tax/VAT.
Re:Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end... by blunte on Thursday November 12, 2020 @06:58AM (#25068860)
I think it often depends on big resellers (like Best Buy, for example). They can provide discounts which Apple will not do directly to the customer, and which other resellers can't do because they don't turn enough units.

That's true of many other common goods worldwide. Unless you can buy a locally made item in a lower purchasing power country, you will usually pay a currency exchange equivalent price for the item. Actually you often pay more because the local shop selling the product cannot get bulk pricing and pass along the discount to you.

Finally, when you add the local taxes - 23% in Portugal, for example - the price can be much higher compared to Alaska, US (< 2%). That last bit is really not Apple's fault.

Re:Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end... by eb0la on Thursday November 12, 2020 @06:45AM (#25068789)
Before Brexit sometimes the you could buy apple stuff for less on amazon.co.uk than in the rest of Europe because the price was fixed in GBP.
Re:Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end... by valuearb on Thursday November 12, 2020 @12:07PM (#25071893)
You can get a fanless PC with a 1,700 single core GeekBench score for less than $1,600 euros in Europe?
Re:Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end... by tpush on Thursday November 12, 2020 @08:16AM (#25069485)
Seems to be priced pretty competitively?