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Re:Swiss report reveals new details on CIA spying operation by jacobush on Wednesday November 11, 2020 @12:58PM (#25060845)
People are vetting Signal, so unless you are the target of a directed attack against you, you are better off.

The Crypto AG phones were from a different era.

Re:Swiss report reveals new details on CIA spying operation by BlueTemplar on Wednesday November 11, 2020 @01:08PM (#25060955)
Signal is probably safe for the data[†], but as we know, the NSA cares even more about metadata – and since Signal's centralized servers are (all?) located in California…

[†] - then, considering stuff like this, even vetted open source code might be at risk (remember that the NSA can afford the best programmers in the world !) :

http://underhanded-c.org/

http://users.ece.cmu.edu/~ganger/712.fall02/papers/p761-thom...

Re:Swiss report reveals new details on CIA spying operation by lallysingh on Wednesday November 11, 2020 @03:37PM (#25062696)
If you're worried about metadata, then you're probably best off publishing encrypted gists. Yes you have to poll to get the update, but it's better than getting hit by timing analysis.
Re:Swiss report reveals new details on CIA spying operation by driverdan on Wednesday November 11, 2020 @02:33PM (#25061981)
They don't care more about metadata, it easier for them to collect.
Re:Swiss report reveals new details on CIA spying operation by andreasley on Wednesday November 11, 2020 @01:09PM (#25060963)
What people? Vetting how? The problem remains: If you don't read and understand all the code (which is basically impossible for most people), then you have to trust some source of information, which in turn is based on some other source etc.

In short: You can basically never know for sure if any complex product is completely secure. You can make guesses, and the more research you do, the closer you get to an answer. At some point, you have enough information to deem a solution "secure enough" for a specific use.

For regular users, it's mostly a question of belief.

Re:Swiss report reveals new details on CIA spying operation by x87678r on Wednesday November 11, 2020 @01:00PM (#25060866)
I'm pretty sure anything in the app store is crackable.
Re:Swiss report reveals new details on CIA spying operation by rolph on Wednesday November 11, 2020 @03:58PM (#25062898)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FinFisher

<< FinFisher malware is installed in various ways, including fake software updates, emails with fake attachments, and security flaws in popular software. Sometimes the surveillance suite is installed after the target accepts installation of a fake update to commonly used software.[2] Code which will install the malware has also been detected in emails.[17] The software, which is designed to evade detection by antivirus software, has versions which work on mobile phones of all major brands .>>

no backdoor is needed when a users behaviour will let you in. it helps greatly when the service provider co-operates

Re:Swiss report reveals new details on CIA spying operation by burrows on Wednesday November 11, 2020 @01:56PM (#25061541)
What argument are you making?

Putting something into the App Store somehow makes the app itself vulnerable?

Or, the App Store tends to attract already vulnerable software?

Re:Swiss report reveals new details on CIA spying operation by x87678r on Wednesday November 11, 2020 @02:58PM (#25062274)
Probably both. If the NSA thought it unbreakable, the app would not be easily available to the public.
Re:Swiss report reveals new details on CIA spying operation by burrows on Wednesday November 11, 2020 @03:35PM (#25062682)
An iOS backdoor is the way to go. Otherwise the NSA has to monitor an endless cycle of new apps.
Re:Swiss report reveals new details on CIA spying operation by sudosysgen on Wednesday November 11, 2020 @03:51PM (#25062838)
Not if there is a backdoor added to all apps on the app store automatically.
Re:Swiss report reveals new details on CIA spying operation by burrows on Wednesday November 11, 2020 @05:29PM (#25063777)
Do you imagine this backdoor gives control over each application's execution or only retrieves data?