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Re:iFixit tools in Apple's lab by qz2 on Wednesday November 11, 2020 @05:30AM (#25057206)
This. The whole thing is a lie.

As a former EE, I can categorically state that absolutely no bench I have ever seen is that tidy when debugging hardware. It's usually a complete snake pit of cables, mess and hell. And half the equipment that they would actually need to support what they have out on display is not actually there. Also no one is going to sit on those god awful chairs while working.

And on top of that I guarantee that there are PCs in their real laboratories that do the CAD and debugging work. Zukon, SolidWorks, Catia and Altium don't run on Macs.

PCs design Macs. Discuss :)

Edit: in retrospect I think it felt like a Scientologist recruitment video.

Re:iFixit tools in Apple's lab by megous on Wednesday November 11, 2020 @09:48AM (#25058803)
This was my immediate reaction too. Seeing those chairs, I chuckled immediately. It's basically Apple marketing's idea of a HW lab. :) Just like computer hacking, Hollywood style.

At least I hope so.

Re:iFixit tools in Apple's lab by 51Cards on Wednesday November 11, 2020 @08:45AM (#25058326)
And there are calipers on it on the scale of what you would use for woodworking. I can't fathom how you would use those in that lab but they look "sciency"
Re:iFixit tools in Apple's lab by qz2 on Wednesday November 11, 2020 @08:53AM (#25058374)
Yeah I imagine that pisses off woodworkers as much as it pisses me off seeing some 1980s LED multimeter featuring as a prop in the 2100's in The Expanse.
Re:iFixit tools in Apple's lab by Bayart on Wednesday November 11, 2020 @05:44AM (#25057272)
The tables should also be covered in an appropriate amount of solder burns and flux residue.
Re:iFixit tools in Apple's lab by bierjunge on Wednesday November 11, 2020 @06:37AM (#25057514)
No coffee mugs, no post-it's, not a single piece of paper with some notes, no personal stuff -> can't be a engineering office.

But the old Apple II on the shelf in the back got me to smile.

Re:iFixit tools in Apple's lab by stereo on Wednesday November 11, 2020 @08:10AM (#25058029)
Where did you see the Apple II? I saw the original Macintosh on the left, and the original Bondi blue iMac on the right.
Re:iFixit tools in Apple's lab by bierjunge on Thursday November 12, 2020 @07:14AM (#25068978)
I thought it was a Apple II, but I can be wrong ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Re:iFixit tools in Apple's lab by qz2 on Wednesday November 11, 2020 @06:32AM (#25057479)
Spot on! Also the floor is usually littered with things that fell off the benches.
Re:iFixit tools in Apple's lab by the-dude on Wednesday November 11, 2020 @08:46AM (#25058328)
Like MELF diodes. But they are supposed to.
Re:iFixit tools in Apple's lab by qz2 on Wednesday November 11, 2020 @09:01AM (#25058436)
Ah I hate those buggers. I made the mistake of ordering just enough of them once and I'd lost three before I got the first one on the board :(
Re:iFixit tools in Apple's lab by the-dude on Wednesday November 11, 2020 @09:20AM (#25058586)
Must End up Lying on Floor.
Re:iFixit tools in Apple's lab by qz2 on Wednesday November 11, 2020 @11:36AM (#25059815)
Never heard that one before. Perfect :)
Re:iFixit tools in Apple's lab by Someone1234 on Wednesday November 11, 2020 @08:36AM (#25058253)
Which would require[0] a fume extractor, which they're lacking. Unless we're meant to believe they use lead free solder in their test labs.

[0] https://www.osha.gov/dts/osta/otm/otm_v/otm_v_3.html

Re:iFixit tools in Apple's lab by kuschku on Wednesday November 11, 2020 @10:29AM (#25059126)
Well, I grew up working only with lead free solder (learnt soldering in school in the EU, and RoHS applies for such purposes as well), and honestly, I can't see why they wouldn't. Lead free solder might be a bit easier to work with, but in the end not having a poison everywhere around you is gonna allow you to focus on the real issues instead.
Re:iFixit tools in Apple's lab by SAI_Peregrinus on Wednesday November 11, 2020 @04:43PM (#25063379)
Fume extractors are for the flux fumes, not the (nonexistent) lead fumes. You need them whatever type of solder you use.
Re:iFixit tools in Apple's lab by kayfox on Wednesday November 11, 2020 @02:04PM (#25061646)
There are ways of setting up solder fume extraction that is not intrusive, just like how casinos have HVAC systems that pull smoke upwards and out, generally avoiding the place smelling like smoke. I worked in a service center a long time ago that used such systems and if you shot video at ground level, you would never get any of that equipment in the shot.
Re:iFixit tools in Apple's lab by josehill on Wednesday November 11, 2020 @10:28PM (#25066076)
"in retrospect I think it felt like a Scientologist recruitment video."

I made a very similar comment to my gf during the live stream. I think there is something insular, cult-like, and very broken in tech culture, and the live stream really seemed to emphasize the point.

Perhaps paradoxically, I thought this year's WWDC videos were much more natural and interesting, even though they clearly also were meticulously rehearsed and stage managed.

Re:iFixit tools in Apple's lab by davidrupp on Wednesday November 11, 2020 @08:13AM (#25058057)
"Zukon, SolidWorks, Catia and Altium don't run on Macs." -- Windows does: https://support.apple.com/boot-camp.
Re:iFixit tools in Apple's lab by qz2 on Wednesday November 11, 2020 @08:19AM (#25058104)
If you do that, Zukon, SolidWorks, Catia and Altium vendors will tell you to piss off if you want support because the hardware isn't ISV certified.
Re:iFixit tools in Apple's lab by IndrekR on Wednesday November 11, 2020 @08:59AM (#25058424)
No they do not. I have seen many CAD stations with Windows on Mac. They do make solid hardware.

Not sure for CATIA, but this is true for Zuken, Altium and SolidWorks at least; and Mentor Graphics and Cadence.

Re:iFixit tools in Apple's lab by kayfox on Wednesday November 11, 2020 @01:59PM (#25061578)
CATIA only supports specific workstation configurations. It can be run on unsupported workstations just fine, but you may hit a brick wall with Dassault Systèmes support, which is like half of what your paying for with the maintenance fees.
Re:iFixit tools in Apple's lab by IshKebab on Thursday November 12, 2020 @04:37AM (#25068131)
Erm, maybe they were asked to tidy it before filming? This is clearly not a studio, it's just a lab that has been tidied and all the crap hidden away (and maybe a few nice looking circuit boards scattered around).
Re:iFixit tools in Apple's lab by brian_herman on Thursday November 12, 2020 @08:46AM (#25069761)
Yes, but you could run Windows on a Intel Mac.
Re:iFixit tools in Apple's lab by chapium on Wednesday November 11, 2020 @10:23AM (#25059075)
Its pretty obvious that if corporate is coming downstairs with cameras, they are going to make it look tidy.
Re:iFixit tools in Apple's lab by qz2 on Wednesday November 11, 2020 @11:01AM (#25059421)
It's really not. We never did :)
Re:iFixit tools in Apple's lab by Shivetya on Wednesday November 11, 2020 @05:52AM (#25057301)
Do we know if they have a staged set or is it all computer generated. Let alone I am curious how many takes it was for some of the presentations.