Things change over time. Also note that HN used to be over-run by libertarians that would make Ayn blush. Kuro5hin escaped by dying. There is lobsters, but it has almost zero discussion and overly focuses on "the rules".

I think norms are better and more powerful. Be the norm you would like to see in the world.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11609308