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Re:The Secret Math Society Known as Nicolas Bourbaki by drallison on Tuesday November 10, 2020 @01:50AM (#25043390)
I used Bourbaki as a second text in an advanced math course I took when I was at UC Berkeley in the early 1960's. I remember with delight the spare clarity of the presentation of the material and organic, intuitive organization of the topic. French has always seemed to me to be the language of mathematics, reason, logic (and love).
Re:The Secret Math Society Known as Nicolas Bourbaki by tasogare on Tuesday November 10, 2020 @02:18AM (#25043511)
> French has always seemed to me to be the language of mathematics, reason, logic

For some reason I often find papers and thesis I read in French way more interesting, well thought and presented than most things I read in English. I have a few hypotheses on why I get this impression:

1) the publish or perish culture originated from the Anglo-Saxon world. Until recently the research written in the national language was kinda shielded from it. In Japan for instance, where the higher education is modeled upon the US one, master students are expected to publish at least a conference paper. In France students generally don’t publish anything.

2) the PhD thesis are written differently. Where I’m studying it’s basically slapping three papers together with an introduction and a conclusion. This sometimes leads to awkward thesis and shallow work. Thesis (and HDR) written in Europe are more like a very well structured monograph.

3) the way to use the language is different as well. In French, any intellectual written work will use long and complex sentences (sometimes to a fault) that are cramming few ideas and their relationships. In English the style is to write short sentences, with at most one idea each. I sometimes feel I have to dumb down my writing and splitting sentences while in my native language a Proust-like sentence would be more appropriate.

Re:The Secret Math Society Known as Nicolas Bourbaki by kortilla on Tuesday November 10, 2020 @02:34AM (#25043586)
> For some reason I often find papers and thesis I read in French way more interesting, well thought and presented than most things I read in English.

The much simpler explanation is that there are way more English as a foreign language PhD students than there are French as a foreign language PhD students.

Re:The Secret Math Society Known as Nicolas Bourbaki by tasogare on Tuesday November 10, 2020 @03:37AM (#25043887)
I’m note sure why you bring foreign-speakers doing their PhD in French (the one who does have outstanding language abilities btw), I’m speaking about research output in general. The few thesis I looked from my immediate research entourage are quite weak compared to the few I’ve read from my home country. There is definitely something different in the writing and the expectations between Europe and the New World. To be clear, I don’t think it’s a language issue per se, but a result of the difference in requirements to graduate. For research papers, quality went down because of the rat course.
Re:The Secret Math Society Known as Nicolas Bourbaki by kortilla on Wednesday November 11, 2020 @11:52PM (#25066572)
I bring it up because having non-native speakers being a much larger percentage of the output means a huge hit to the average quality of writing.

I went to a top CS research school and there were several students from China that had such a high language barrier that their papers had to be professionally rewritten by a service the university offered. Their research was Amazing but motivating the problem, describing the methodology, etc all in English just devastated the signal.

So yeah, you’re going to see good quality French writing because French is no longer the lingua Franca of science so a relatively tiny minority of non-French researchers are going to use it.

Re:The Secret Math Society Known as Nicolas Bourbaki by frank2 on Tuesday November 10, 2020 @02:23AM (#25043535)
And yet the most impactful scientists, Newton and Darwin, spoke English, and the main way France industrialized was to copy developments in England.
Re:The Secret Math Society Known as Nicolas Bourbaki by Kbelicius on Tuesday November 10, 2020 @02:28AM (#25043554)
Ah, yes. Newton and Darwin the greatest products of modern Anglo-Saxon education.
Re:The Secret Math Society Known as Nicolas Bourbaki by andi999 on Tuesday November 10, 2020 @03:22AM (#25043816)
Maybe Newton spoke English, but didnt he publish in Latin?
Re:The Secret Math Society Known as Nicolas Bourbaki by ever1 on Tuesday November 10, 2020 @04:46AM (#25044211)
It is well known that France never had impactful scientists...
Re:The Secret Math Society Known as Nicolas Bourbaki by throwaway_pdp09 on Tuesday November 10, 2020 @12:30PM (#25048501)
Ramanujan was a brit. So was Leibnitz. Ditto archimedes. Gauss lived in brixton his whole life. All true.
Re:The Secret Math Society Known as Nicolas Bourbaki by bdauvergne on Tuesday November 10, 2020 @04:11AM (#25044043)
« Chauvinisme » ? :)