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Re:Covid vaccine: First ‘milestone’ vaccine offers 90% prote... by hinkley on Monday November 09, 2020 @01:34PM (#25037968)
I'm glad we are going to have a vaccine, but I'm not so happy about 90%

I have built up in my head the idea of all the things I'm going to do 'once I get vaccinated', but at 90% that gets pushed off to "once most people get vaccinated". If it were by myself, I might push my luck. But I want to do those things with friends, or family. .9^n is pretty shitty odds once n gets to around 5.

There's a sort of rhetoric that's pointed out by 'Thinking, Fast and Slow' as a warning sign for agendas, and I've seen a bunch of them used by both sides this election cycle. But at the same time one of the defenses against these rhetorical devices is reframing: rephrase the bargain from another context and see if you'd still accept it. They don't seem to reconcile that in public discourse this reframing happens in public.

"If I go out for steak, I'm probably okay at 90%," versus, "If we have our family reunion at Disney World, there's a 50% chance we're all going to be attending a funeral in a month, even if everybody got the vaccine." You could call the latter shrill, sure, but "there's a 50% chance everything will work out fine," is self-deception. You're trying really hard not to look at all of the potential, statistically significant outcomes.

Re:Covid vaccine: First ‘milestone’ vaccine offers 90% prote... by djrogers on Monday November 09, 2020 @01:50PM (#25038174)
> "If I go out for steak, I'm probably okay at 90%," versus, "If we have our family reunion at Disney World, there's a 50% chance we're all going to be attending a funeral in a month, even if everybody got the vaccine."

How in the heck do you arrive at a 50% chance of someone dying? You might argue that there's a 50% chance of someone getting the virus (that's really debatable, it's not highly contagious), but even if someone did, their chance of survival is several orders of magnitude higher than 50% unless they are in a high-risk group...

Re:Covid vaccine: First ‘milestone’ vaccine offers 90% prote... by ulrikrasmussen on Monday November 09, 2020 @03:28PM (#25039484)
0.9^n are the odds where you all go and get exposed simultaneously. When a large enough portion of the population is vaccinated, that prior probability goes way down.
Re:Covid vaccine: First ‘milestone’ vaccine offers 90% prote... by hinkley on Monday November 09, 2020 @04:20PM (#25040067)
Which is why I said,

> but at 90% that gets pushed off to "once most people get vaccinated"