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Re:No More Free Work from Marak: Pay Me or Fork This by CamperBob2 on Monday November 09, 2020 @05:06AM (#25033199)
That's not a term of art, it's someone's opinion. "Open source" means whatever I say it does, whatever you say it does, whatever Apple says it does, whatever ESR says it does, and whatever RMS says it does.
Re:No More Free Work from Marak: Pay Me or Fork This by chriswarbo on Monday November 09, 2020 @08:05AM (#25034340)
No, the OSI has precedence: https://opensource.org/history
Re:No More Free Work from Marak: Pay Me or Fork This by CamperBob2 on Monday November 09, 2020 @06:05PM (#25041059)
No, it doesn't. Just saying something doesn't make it so. Trying to enforce a trademark on "Open Source" as a development methodology would be good for a few laughs in a courtroom, but that's it.
Re:No More Free Work from Marak: Pay Me or Fork This by icebraining on Monday November 09, 2020 @05:41AM (#25033381)
Sorry, can you define each word you've used in your post?
Re:No More Free Work from Marak: Pay Me or Fork This by CamperBob2 on Monday November 09, 2020 @06:00AM (#25033486)
I don't understand what you're asking, can you elaborate?

Edit: I guess you're asking about 'ESR' and 'RMS.' ESR = Eric Raymond, an early proponent of open source as a communal development model ( http://www.catb.org/~esr/open-source.html ). RMS is Richard Stallman, the originator of the GNU project on which the Linux kernel is based, as well as the GPL. RMS disagrees with ESR, in that he argues that the term "open source" is a distraction from the larger goal of free software ( https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point....) .

There have been plenty of other authors with strong opinions on the subject but these are the two whose names most often come up in the context. Point being, it is unreasonable to say that "open source" is a term of art (as the GP did) whose meaning will be agreed upon by practitioners and advocates everywhere.

Re:No More Free Work from Marak: Pay Me or Fork This by ganafagol on Monday November 09, 2020 @07:15AM (#25033934)
No, the question was supposed to illustrate that if you have that approach to language, then communication is impossible. There needs to be a shared notion of what certain words and concepts mean. You claimed that they mean whatever some person claims them to mean. So the question to you was what do your words mean, since with that entirely freewheeling approach to language, nobody here can know what you meant.
Re:No More Free Work from Marak: Pay Me or Fork This by Qwertious on Monday November 09, 2020 @09:13AM (#25034964)
So, in a nutshell: https://xkcd.com/1860/
Re:No More Free Work from Marak: Pay Me or Fork This by CamperBob2 on Monday November 09, 2020 @07:25AM (#25034010)
My claim was a response to an assertion which has now been edited, so... meh. You win teh Internets.
Re:No More Free Work from Marak: Pay Me or Fork This by thaumasiotes on Monday November 09, 2020 @04:03PM (#25039869)
> My claim was a response to an assertion which has now been edited, so...

This is certainly something I sometimes do, but not here. What are you talking about?

Re:No More Free Work from Marak: Pay Me or Fork This by CamperBob2 on Monday November 09, 2020 @06:02PM (#25041032)
Weirdly, at one point, your reply no longer seemed to contain the phrase "term of art." It's back now; I must have been mistaken about the initial change, since you'd have had to edit it well after the expiration period.

In any case, "open source" isn't a term of art. It did not originate with ESR or with anyone else in the software development field, so it means whatever anyone wants it to mean.