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Re:Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided ... by cm2187 on Sunday November 08, 2020 @01:37AM (#25023618)
Nothing demonstrates more the acceptance of basic facts than pretending, when launching a campaign, that it is motivated by Trump calling white supremacists “fine people” when anyone can look at the transcript of that speech and see that a few lines below Trump explicitly condemns white supremacists.

It is unfortunate but lying openly about facts has become the only common ground in US politics, and so many people seem to be completely blind to the lies of their own camp.

Re:Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided ... by zmmmmm on Sunday November 08, 2020 @02:31AM (#25023870)
I completely agree with you. I have winced about that being thrown at Trump ever since the incident - I think it was horrendously poor wording, but it was actually him in his own way attempting to unify people.

However at the same time I want to clarify that I'm talking here about a level of facts even more basic than that. That is still an interpretation of what he said but at least he said it. We have an even deeper problem right now where people believe things that are completely totally untrue. Things that are provably not true without any need to bring any interpretation into it.

For example, how do we have a reasonable discussion about how to fix social justice if one side believes most of Portland has been taken over by anarchists burning cars and smashing windows of every shop and the other things it's a peaceful hippie commune covering a block and a half? Somewhere in there is an objective truth. If we can't get to that, we're never going to have a productive discussion about the underlying problems.

Re:Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided ... by wreath on Sunday November 08, 2020 @12:36PM (#25027293)
He didn't call whites supremacists white people, if you listen to the rest of the sentence, he was referring to the protesters from BOTH sides that they are fine people. And then said that he condemns neo Nazis and white supremacists. I only came across this this morning btw, and I too believed he really did call them fine people.. EDIT: watch this whole thing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmaZR8E12bs
Re:Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided ... by lawnchair_larry on Sunday November 08, 2020 @05:53AM (#25024842)
What’s really unfortunate is you get downvoted for pointing out a fact. Probably by people who complain that the right won’t accept facts.
Re:Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided ... by ctack on Sunday November 08, 2020 @10:11AM (#25026214)
Are you able to please link to the transcript?
Re:Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided ... by cm2187 on Sunday November 08, 2020 @12:35PM (#25027286)
https://www.politifact.com/article/2019/apr/26/context-trump...

"you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. [...] And you had people -- and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists -- because they should be condemned totally. But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists. Okay? And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly."

Re:Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided ... by heavyset_go on Monday November 09, 2020 @01:55AM (#25032058)
You're quoting the second interview Trump gave about Charlottesville[1].

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25019361