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Re:Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided ... by TulliusCicero on Saturday November 07, 2020 @06:38PM (#25020948)
> The two have nothing to do with each other and mentioning the first when I'm talking about the second is deeply disingenuous.

That Russia interfered in US elections has nothing to do with how successful Russia was in interfering with US elections, huh? Amazing logic there.

Those two things aren't equivalent, but the former is a component of the latter. Pretending that they're unrelated is bizarre.

> The other is that the fsb was so wildly successful at it they changes the result of the 2016 election.

I mean, we know that Russia pushed Trump hard. Probably it wasn't enough to sway the election, but it's more than a little disingenuous to pretend that this is equivalent to "Hillary has a satanic pedophile ring" or "Bill Gates is injecting tracker 5G vaccines into people", where they're completely fabricated.

Re:Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided ... by didibus on Saturday November 07, 2020 @06:53PM (#25021093)
I think you can make a pretty strong claim that without the email leaks, Hillary would have won. Thus making Russia hacks and leaks of her emails directly responsible for the push to presidency.
Re:Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided ... by konjin on Saturday November 07, 2020 @07:01PM (#25021156)
And here we are. Four years later, a victory and still knee deep in conspiracy land why the loss was a fluke caused by evil doers against the righteous and noble Hilary.
Re:Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided ... by didibus on Saturday November 07, 2020 @08:43PM (#25021979)
You're projecting quite a lot here. There is a large number of Americans who obviously support Trump, you most likely, and about 47% of them it seems in fact. That said, the prior elections were really close, with Trump even losing the popular vote, so it's really no stretch to think that it didn't take much to tip the scales one way or another, no conspiracy here, just elementary observation.