Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided U.S.

Re:Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided ... by klipt on Saturday November 07, 2020 @05:08PM (#25020034)

"more progressive policies" is a broad term, could mean anything from "Medicare for All" to "Abolish the Police", and some of these are much more divisive than others.

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Re:Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided ... by smhost on Saturday November 07, 2020 @06:00PM (#25020547)

"abolish the police" isn't a policy

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Re:Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided ... by klipt on Saturday November 07, 2020 @06:17PM (#25020744)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_abolition_movement

"Yes, We Mean Literally Abolish the Police"

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/12/opinion/sunday/floyd-abol...

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Re:Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided ... by smhost on Saturday November 07, 2020 @06:22PM (#25020785)

if you read past the headline, the actual policy it proposes is to reduce the number of police and cut the budget.

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Re:Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided ... by klipt on Saturday November 07, 2020 @06:35PM (#25020905)

If you read further the author says

"I’ve been advocating the abolition of the police for years"

"We don’t want to just close police departments"

"People like me who want to abolish prisons and police"

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Re:Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided ... by smhost on Saturday November 07, 2020 @06:43PM (#25020999)

i mean again, advocating for abolition isn't a policy proposal.

take for example angela davis, the most prominent prison abolitionist today. she says in this interview (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3q_qV5mHg0) that there currently isn't a model of a prison-free society, only hints here and there.

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Re:Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided ... by klipt on Saturday November 07, 2020 @07:11PM (#25021236)

Okay, call "abolish the police" a long-term goal instead of an immediate policy. It (and its shorter term policies like "abolish half the police by defunding them") are still very divisive among the electorate.

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Re:Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided ... by smhost on Saturday November 07, 2020 @07:41PM (#25021521)

you can't abolish half of a thing. abolishing half of slavery still leaves you with slavery. you're confused about some basic terms here.

and if you're using a broad enough notion of divisiveness, then anything is divisive, including tan suits and dijon mustard. so divisiveness as you're using the term is not a property of the relation between the constituency and the political object (policy/slogan/etc.), but it's instead a tool that social engineers can use to create antagonism between populations.

for example, abortion appears to be an extremely divisive issue because of the way the issue has been socially engineered, but if you look at the data, a large majority of americans agree on the vast majority of abortion cases. it's the edge cases and disagreements on the rationale for/against abortion that are used to create the appareance of divisiveness.

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Re:Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided ... by klipt on Sunday November 08, 2020 @11:15AM (#25026680)

> you can't abolish half of a thing. abolishing half of slavery still leaves you with slavery

Then I guess the abolitionists failed because slavery still exists.

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Re:Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided ... by smhost on Sunday November 08, 2020 @01:36PM (#25027768)

You're right, abolition of slavery won't be achieved until settler colonial slave states like the united states are dismantled and replaced with a fair society. However, the abolitionists did accomplished many great notable things, such as killing a bunch of racist southerners.

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