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Re:Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided ... by function_seven on Saturday November 07, 2020 @03:02PM (#25018575)
> I think there is a partisan slant that they are not accounting for that includes a "propensity to answer a polling survey in the first place"

They're well aware of that slant, and try their damndest to correct for it. But apparently they just don't have a good model of how large or how volatile that propensity attribute is, and how it relates to political leanings.

I was polled this year. One of the first questions I was asked is if I was answering the call on a landline or on a cell phone. They weight those differently. Also of course my basic demographic info (wage, race, marital status, education level, home ownership status, etc.)

I think your whole comment is correct, but instead of not accounting for the propensity factor, they do... just badly :)

I have no idea what the solution is to this. Maybe there isn't one, and instead we can get a silver-lining effect: If people trust the results of polls less, they're hopefully less likely to think the results are preordained. More voter turnout?

Re:Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided ... by scythe on Saturday November 07, 2020 @08:37PM (#25021938)
>I think your whole comment is correct, but instead of not accounting for the propensity factor, they do... just badly :)

In particular, Trump was extremely critical of polls and mail-in voting, and we have pretty much confirmed that his statements caused his supporters to avoid mail-in voting, so it's not too much of a leap to suggest the same thing happened with polls. Notably, this is a different effect from 2016, where IIRC Trump appealed to "non-likely" voters whose responses were inappropriately discounted.

Re:Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided ... by evgen on Sunday November 08, 2020 @06:07AM (#25024912)
> I have no idea what the solution is to this.

It is a solution that has its own problems, but mandatory voting would solve this problem. The polling failures are primarily in trying to weight the sample that you manage to capture in a way that reflects the actual turnout on election day. If everyone is forced to vote then you eliminate the RV/LV problem and pollsters would only need to make sure their sample was representative of the population at large.

Re:Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided ... by jakeogh on Sunday November 08, 2020 @06:14AM (#25024944)