Yes, the basic human societal unit is the tribe, as evidenced by Dunbar’s number. Within tribes, interconnected extended families used to facilitate the social cohesion. In the US, both the small-scale society and the extended family have been harmed by atomizing and dispersing people for mostly economic reasons.

this is absolutely incorrect. there is literally 0 reason to dispersing your family for economic reasons. It is always cheaper to cohabitate and long term care facilities are extremely expensive.... Especially in the US.

I very strongly agree with this. All of us need to talk, avoid judgement and just understand one another better.

A higher degree of basic solidarity will help us a lot.

Absolutely not. Every society that denies individualism or prefers collectivism finds itself sooner than later in misery.

There you go again, where’s subtlety gone in this world?!

There you go again, where’s subtlety gone in this world?!

Thanks for this perspective.

Or the employee of a sprawling corporation with a family to feed, a mortgage to pay, a family health plan to pay, college and university for their children to pay. Tell me someone that is more beholden to their master than these modern peasants. Yet their daily delusion is to be as free as Bezos could dream of.

housing, education, and healthcare were cheap until the federal government got involved.

you can make an exception for healthcare because of tech improvements, but the others are true.

lol what you are describing is responsibility. not slavery.

yes, it is a responsibility to have a house for your family, to keep food on the table, and to work for their education.

if you don't provide those things and rely on the government to provide them, what good are you? why bother to work?

you are a slave. or better stated you're a willing sacrifice. to your body and to the people you love. deal with it or rely on charity.

life isnt free. but it seems like you think union members have a life free of these ignorant and unimportant realities.

not many public companies ask for a 35 year work tenure and your nonstop political loyalty.

That's your problem there, the patronizing "life's a bitch now get back to work". Sure it's difficult and it takes effort and good will. But damn dude, I never said one should have all for free - that's a childish simplification. I'm arguing nobody deserves to live under the Damocles' sword of having their life thrown under the bus for a mishap, or an accident.

We have enough resources to do without homo homini lupus. enough

I described the life experience of caring for the people you love as a good thing.

you described it as "bitch now get back to work"

we aren't arguing about the possibility of insurance ruining your bank account.

as if the childish simplification isn't that when you're a union you're not beholden to some greater master.

We’re talking past each other so badly it hurts...

I've engaged with you on numerous points. you've ignored them all, and have never offered an alternative logical viewpoint.

you're talking past me, and almost bragging that I have asked you questions you're ignoring.

This sounds like an only having 2 parties problem, rather than a union problem

It's not like the tech entrepreneurs are from the same class as people who are in unions. The ability to take on risk to start a business is an economic privilege, so what's the point of this comparison? Rich people have more freedom in capitalism than poor people. Is that controversial?