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Re:Kim Dotcom can be extradited to US but can also appeal by ur-whale on Wednesday November 04, 2020 @02:40PM (#24992339)
>it is the state that created the markets

This is historically inaccurate.

The fact that the term "black market" exists is proof enough to demonstrate that claim.

That states have always tried their darndest (with varying degrees of success) to control markets to e.g. tax them is a better way of looking at things.

Re:Kim Dotcom can be extradited to US but can also appeal by pgcj_poster on Wednesday November 04, 2020 @08:24PM (#24994826)
Black markets just operate on top of white markets, often using the same exact state-backed money. Hunter-gather groups and other social structures known to exist before states generally operated on gift economies. There's not really any anthropological evidence that markets existed prior to the formation of states. Read the first few chapters of Debt: The First 5000 Years by David Graeber (RIP).
Re:Kim Dotcom can be extradited to US but can also appeal by AsyncAwait on Wednesday November 04, 2020 @03:16PM (#24992648)
What I said is:

> it is the state that created the markets they operate in

There's many large corporations who are only still around because of the state, they wouldn't survive on the kind of market you're probably thinking of.

Re:Kim Dotcom can be extradited to US but can also appeal by nathias on Wednesday November 04, 2020 @03:25PM (#24992722)
Without the state the big ones would turn into fiefdoms (and probably will anyway).