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Re:Kim Dotcom can be extradited to US but can also appeal by CivBase on Wednesday November 04, 2020 @01:23PM (#24991593)
How are the church and state coupled? A corporation can bribe politicians with money, but what can a religious institution do?

People vote based on their opinions. Their opinions can be influenced by many things. Sometimes their opinions are influenced by their religious affiliation. Sometimes their opinions are influenced by comments on HN. But HN has no actual leverage over the state and neither does the church.

Re:Kim Dotcom can be extradited to US but can also appeal by jl6 on Wednesday November 04, 2020 @01:34PM (#24991697)
One might argue that if a church trains its members to vote a certain way, they can wield significant influence, albeit indirectly. Similarly corporations have a great deal of indirect influence. True, there’s no formal, legal coupling, but perhaps there is merit to challenging concentrations of power, no matter how informal or indirect?
Re:Kim Dotcom can be extradited to US but can also appeal by nxmnxm99 on Wednesday November 04, 2020 @01:37PM (#24991716)
That can be said for literally any sort of organization of people
Re:Kim Dotcom can be extradited to US but can also appeal by bsanr2 on Wednesday November 04, 2020 @06:56PM (#24994344)
Church is different in that (as far as internal logic goes) adherence/non-adherence to their dictates involves a credible claim to the fate of your immortal soul. It's a little bit different from other book clubs.
Re:Kim Dotcom can be extradited to US but can also appeal by nxmnxm99 on Sunday November 08, 2020 @12:32AM (#25023304)
That’s a pretty arbitrary distinction. The average union worker finds not being able to put food on the table an equally terrifying prospect as eternal damnation.
Re:Kim Dotcom can be extradited to US but can also appeal by bsanr2 on Tuesday November 10, 2020 @01:10AM (#25043221)
I don't know if that's self-evident, given that the average non-union worker votes quite often for the union-busters who promise to enshrine their sanctifying beliefs in law.
Re:Kim Dotcom can be extradited to US but can also appeal by YetAnotherNick on Wednesday November 04, 2020 @01:43PM (#24991776)
Church has much more members than other organizations.
Re:Kim Dotcom can be extradited to US but can also appeal by missedthecue on Wednesday November 04, 2020 @06:39PM (#24994210)
In many countries, trade unions have more members than churches, and they donate, endorse, and directly outright tell their members who do vote for, unlike most churches, who do not donate, do not endorse, and in almost all cases, do not outright tell members who to vote for.
Re:Kim Dotcom can be extradited to US but can also appeal by CivBase on Wednesday November 04, 2020 @02:07PM (#24991992)
Are you referring to the Catholic church? Most religious organizations are relatively small and independent from one another.
Re:Kim Dotcom can be extradited to US but can also appeal by Shared404 on Wednesday November 04, 2020 @10:28PM (#24995394)
But most Evangelical churches vote as a block.
Re:Kim Dotcom can be extradited to US but can also appeal by mainstreem on Wednesday November 04, 2020 @02:00PM (#24991929)
LOL only if you group together every organized religion as "Church" and compare it to other, individual organizations.
Re:Kim Dotcom can be extradited to US but can also appeal by Diggsey on Wednesday November 04, 2020 @01:50PM (#24991833)
Most organisations don't threaten you with eternal torture to coerce you though...
Re:Kim Dotcom can be extradited to US but can also appeal by djsumdog on Wednesday November 04, 2020 @01:29PM (#24991645)
This is a little tricky. A church cannot voice a political opinion, if they want to keep their 501 tax exemption. They can voice their opinions (1st amendment) but they'd give up those specific tax exemptions and would need to move to a different charity type. (This is why the ACLU has two organizations, one you can donate to with tax exemption and the other you cannot because they lobby the government).
Re:Kim Dotcom can be extradited to US but can also appeal by hnick on Wednesday November 04, 2020 @05:44PM (#24993831)
The way around this seems to be for politicians to voice religious opinions, which makes some things that churches say de facto political opinions.

Seems like it should be banned on their side too, but that's a bit thorny.

Re:Kim Dotcom can be extradited to US but can also appeal by mattkrause on Wednesday November 04, 2020 @06:53PM (#24994328)
Exactly. A minister (etc) can certainly say "Dancing (or whatever) is a grave sin and so we must avoid it ourselves and work to keep it out of our community." Stuff like this is protected as Free (Religious) Exercise clause and it should be.

It may so happen that only one candidate vehemently opposes dancing, and as long as they don't make that connection out loud, it stays on the level.

Re:Kim Dotcom can be extradited to US but can also appeal by CivBase on Wednesday November 04, 2020 @01:43PM (#24991773)
Is there anything wrong with a church abandoning their 501 tax exemption and voicing a political opinion?
Re:Kim Dotcom can be extradited to US but can also appeal by tssva on Wednesday November 04, 2020 @01:54PM (#24991866)
There isn't but unfortunately what has been happening lately is churches have been voicing political opinion and not losing their 501 tax exemption because the politicians they have been speaking in favor of protect them from losing their tax status.
Re:Kim Dotcom can be extradited to US but can also appeal by triceratops on Wednesday November 04, 2020 @01:55PM (#24991875)
Nothing wrong. They'd have to pay taxes. That would be a bummer for most organizations.
Re:Kim Dotcom can be extradited to US but can also appeal by nerdponx on Wednesday November 04, 2020 @03:14PM (#24992632)
Check out the history of the influence of Evangelical Christianity on American politics starting in the 1980s. Church influencing state is a contemporary phenomenon.
Re:Kim Dotcom can be extradited to US but can also appeal by nathias on Wednesday November 04, 2020 @02:30PM (#24992245)
Money is used to buy propaganda, churches have millennia old propaganda infrastructure financed by murder and pillage, and are mostly extremely wealthy.
Re:Kim Dotcom can be extradited to US but can also appeal by CivBase on Wednesday November 04, 2020 @03:00PM (#24992508)
Any interested individual or organization can fund political propaganda, but I certainly wouldn't say the state is coupled with BLM or the NRA.
Re:Kim Dotcom can be extradited to US but can also appeal by nerdponx on Wednesday November 04, 2020 @03:21PM (#24992686)
It absolutely is, in the case of the latter. BLM no, or not yet, because they are not yet an entrenched reliable source of campaign funding.
Re:Kim Dotcom can be extradited to US but can also appeal by nathias on Wednesday November 04, 2020 @03:17PM (#24992655)
Why not? Aren't all BLM donations going to the democrats?
Re:Kim Dotcom can be extradited to US but can also appeal by FireBeyond on Wednesday November 04, 2020 @05:58PM (#24993947)
Maybe a notable chunk, but I'd say more accurately "to anyone but the Republicans".