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Re:European police in coordinated raids against online hate ... by bmmayer1 on Tuesday November 03, 2020 @11:46AM (#24981286)
Note what the police are doing and what they're going after:

"police searched 83 apartments and other buildings to seize evidence like smart phones and laptops. Prosecutors said 96 suspects are being questioned about hateful posts they made online."

"One of the suspects is accused of making anti-Semitic comments while another insulted a female politician online"

Anyone who is interested in free speech issues and civil rights should be very uneasy by the idea that the police can raid your house and interrogate you over online comments that are deemed by the politics de jour to be "hate speech", which, as we all know, is a slippery and ever-expanding category.

The US doesn't have this problem with wide legal protections for free speech online or off. Europeans are not so lucky.

Re:European police in coordinated raids against online hate ... by AnimalMuppet on Tuesday November 03, 2020 @12:17PM (#24981622)
Here in the US, I could go downtown, stand on a street corner, and yell "F^%# the president" (or governor, or senator, or judge, or whoever). Before this year, I'd probably get some frowns and some smiles (under any administration). This year, I might get beat up.

What I wouldn't get is arrested. If I got in trouble with the police, it would be for disturbing the peace, not for the content of my speech.

Re:European police in coordinated raids against online hate ... by bmmayer1 on Tuesday November 03, 2020 @02:57PM (#24983343)
Reminds me of the old joke...

Reagan was talking to Gorbachev, and told him "in the US, anyone can march into my office and yell 'I don't like the way you're running your country!'"

Gorbachev replied, "Same for us! In the Soviet Union, anyone can march into my office and yell 'I don't like the way Reagan is running his country!'"

Re:European police in coordinated raids against online hate ... by raxxorrax on Wednesday November 04, 2020 @06:16AM (#24988063)
A significant part of the population decided free speech is only relevant if the state does the censoring. It is really a failure of education.
Re:European police in coordinated raids against online hate ... by andor on Tuesday November 03, 2020 @01:20PM (#24982351)
Anyone who is interested in free speech issues and civil rights should be very uneasy by the idea that the police can raid your house and interrogate you over online comments that are deemed by the politics de jour to be "hate speech"

Not trying to convince you or anything, but I think you'd have a different opinion on the subject if you were as exposed as the politician mentioned in the article and regularly received death threats and harassment.

Consider also that a raid in Germany is not like a raid in the US.

The US doesn't have this problem with wide legal protections for free speech online or off. Europeans are not so lucky.

This is not reflected in the World Press Freedom Index, maybe because there are non-hateful ways to express most thoughts: https://rsf.org/en/ranking

Re:European police in coordinated raids against online hate ... by bmmayer1 on Tuesday November 03, 2020 @02:45PM (#24983225)
Politicians are, by their choice of profession, exposed. Which is not to say that death threats and/or harassment shouldn't have legal consequences based on their severity, which of course they should. But note that this article mentions neither, instead saying that someone "insulted a female politician online," which I hope you would agree shouldn't be a crime.

I...also don't know how to respond to your point about the Press Freedom Index other than to say, most European countries have blasphemy or heresy laws, and those apply to the press as well. So I don't know what this index is scoring based off of, but American journalists just don't go to jail for what they write. As opposed to David Irving[1], who did just that.

[1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irving_trial

Re:European police in coordinated raids against online hate ... by raxxorrax on Wednesday November 04, 2020 @06:19AM (#24988077)
This doesn't excuse this behavior. I would be one of the first to go if people start to measure skulls again. And this behavior of executive forces is much more concerning than what some people post on the internet. It shows to me that the EU is not ready to take a leadership role in the 21st century and just tries to repeat old mistakes.

Pitiful really and the brutality of the raid isn't the issue here.

It is not even a question if the German state will use this to suppress "unfortunate" opinions and they would not deny it if you asked.

Re:European police in coordinated raids against online hate ... by Jyaif on Tuesday November 03, 2020 @11:56AM (#24981392)