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Re:Drivers react to Tesla’s full self-driving beta release by tsimionescu on Saturday October 31, 2020 @02:47PM (#24954123)
> if I have a credible belief that I can save some number of future humans, what is the acceptable moral number of current humans to place at risk and/or kill?

> Imho, that's a grave, serious decision, but not one to which the morally absolute is "zero, always."

I think that what we've learned throughout human history is that no one should be trusted and given the power to make such decisions. It has invariably led to disasters. The very idea that someone can decide to put someone else's life in danger for potential future advances gives too many perverse incentives - chief of which, rationalization that "more people will be saved" even as the experiment crashes and burns.

Re:Drivers react to Tesla’s full self-driving beta release by ethbr0 on Saturday October 31, 2020 @02:53PM (#24954185)
Bullshit. We've done that countless times, to good effect.

When it's for the greater good, or by the winners, we conveniently omit it from history.

When it's for the greater evil, or by the losers, we publicize it as a cautionary tale of moral hubris.

Re:Drivers react to Tesla’s full self-driving beta release by selestify on Saturday October 31, 2020 @03:36PM (#24954498)
War aside, what’s an example of innocent lives being sacrificed for some sort of greater good that got omitted from official history?
Re:Drivers react to Tesla’s full self-driving beta release by TuringNYC on Sunday November 01, 2020 @12:59PM (#24961206)
>> War aside, what’s an example of innocent lives being sacrificed for some sort of greater good that got omitted from official history?

Example 1: Vaccines

This is an interesting example because the winners and losers seem to be proportionately spread across almost all of society (except anti-Vaxxers who benefit from herd immunity but don't sacrifice with the minute risk of vaccines). See also: https://www.hrsa.gov/vaccine-compensation/index.html

Example 2: War on Crime / Safety

Another example would be the war on crime. Liberties and lives are sacrificed in the name of safety for others. Unfortunately, the liberty/lives sacrificed fall disproportionately into one group, and those protected fall disproportionately into a different group group. If you look at the 2nd order effects (impoverishment, single-parent households, effects on education and future) lots more lives are lost, again in a subset of society.

Re:Drivers react to Tesla’s full self-driving beta release by sudosysgen on Saturday October 31, 2020 @06:23PM (#24955702)
This is of course highly controversial, but deaths in revolutions or shortly after that led to eventually much better living conditions might be considered, depending on your political views, to be such a case.
Re:Drivers react to Tesla’s full self-driving beta release by kofejnik on Sunday November 01, 2020 @01:56AM (#24957681)
Cars. Cars kill hundreds of thousands people each year. But we accept it, for the greater good of modern civilization.
Re:Drivers react to Tesla’s full self-driving beta release by tsimionescu on Sunday November 01, 2020 @03:36AM (#24958066)
That's not an example of putting this kind of decision power in the hands of one person. It is a complicated history that likely started with almost no fatalities, and steadily increased as speeds increased, with no clear point where a line was drawn.
Re:Drivers react to Tesla’s full self-driving beta release by rtsil on Saturday October 31, 2020 @07:26PM (#24956085)
Not omitted, but the deaths and/or illnesses resulting from drug trials are almost never widely publicized. Conversely, any improvement brought by a new drug will be drummed up everywhere (and for just reason).
Re:Drivers react to Tesla’s full self-driving beta release by srtjstjsj on Sunday November 01, 2020 @03:35PM (#24962275)
Every time a human gets in a car, they put someone else's life at risk.