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Re:New political polarization casts rivals as alien, unlikab... by Tycho on Saturday October 31, 2020 @07:59AM (#24950713)
According to the article, this phenomenon is most obviously manifested in the humorous expression “own the libs”, and not, say, by shrieking scaremongering about fascism and comparing the other side to the Nazis.
Re:New political polarization casts rivals as alien, unlikab... by Waterluvian on Saturday October 31, 2020 @08:05AM (#24950742)
The interesting thing is that the claims about fascism at least have the possibility of being true while "owning the libs" betrays its own disingenuous purpose of not even trying to make a point other than winning against the other team.
Re:New political polarization casts rivals as alien, unlikab... by Tycho on Saturday October 31, 2020 @08:44AM (#24950971)
“own the libs” is satire, it’s not literally the political platform
Re:New political polarization casts rivals as alien, unlikab... by Waterluvian on Saturday October 31, 2020 @08:53AM (#24951031)
Not exactly a useful claim given it can be made by anyone for any portion of their "team" they're embeeassed by.

The core problem is that America uses a two party system and that can only result in heavy partisanship.

Re:New political polarization casts rivals as alien, unlikab... by Tycho on Saturday October 31, 2020 @09:05AM (#24951109)
One side has prominent interlocutors who routinely call the other side racists, Nazis, and harbingers of fascism in the United States, demanding their “de-platforming”.

The other side sees this as hysterical nonsense spouted by sanctimonious hypocrites and people blind to reality, who deserve to be mocked, hence “own the libs.”

These two sides are not equivalent. One is doing a lot more “othering”. The real equivalent would be some sort of Red Scare accusing the other side of being infiltrated by freedom-hating communist spies, demanding their removal from all institutions and positions of power.

Re:New political polarization casts rivals as alien, unlikab... by dsr_ on Saturday October 31, 2020 @09:14AM (#24951174)
There are concentration camps run by the United States government.
Re:New political polarization casts rivals as alien, unlikab... by dsr_ on Saturday October 31, 2020 @09:34AM (#24951339)
If you're downvoting this, you had better have proof that there are no concentration camps run by the United States government. Please show it to us.

Otherwise, I accept your downvote as proof that facts are not relevant to you.

Re:New political polarization casts rivals as alien, unlikab... by thinkingemote on Saturday October 31, 2020 @09:44AM (#24951418)
Please read the sites rules about downvotes.
Re:New political polarization casts rivals as alien, unlikab... by hartator on Saturday October 31, 2020 @08:02AM (#24950723)
Do you mean this article about political polarization is polarized against one side? :)
Re:New political polarization casts rivals as alien, unlikab... by whodidntante on Saturday October 31, 2020 @09:33AM (#24951336)
Well, I know you are being sarcastic, but my initial impression of the article was that while I agreed with everything the author stated, I felt the author was no where as subtle as she thought she was in herself promoting this polarization by what was left out.

All of the examples were one sided (and imo true, with many worse ones left unmentioned), while there was no mention of the elephant - the world view that all members of a certain race are racist by definition, and that all interactions between races are, by definition, based on race, no matter what the context. How is this not demonizing the "other" ?

My fear is that what used to be disagreements over what rights an individual has (who to marry, what to do in your personal space, what if any deities to bow before, what you are able to do with your own body) have turned into disagreements over what framework we should use to govern our society.

Individual rights, imo, need to be respected, and can be done without infringing on anyone else.

However, the current undercurrent of how we should govern ourselves as a society (marxism vs capitalism) is something that we all, as a society, need to abide by, and that differences in these views, historically, has been settled through war.

Re:New political polarization casts rivals as alien, unlikab... by dTal on Saturday October 31, 2020 @08:07AM (#24950750)
Well yes, there's a wide gulf between voicing concerns about conduct and rhetoric, and being combative simply for the joy of watching your opponent suffer.
Re:New political polarization casts rivals as alien, unlikab... by empthought on Saturday October 31, 2020 @08:08AM (#24950751)
One side has literal Nazis marching for it, yelling “Jews will not replace us,” though...
Re:New political polarization casts rivals as alien, unlikab... by yaakov34 on Saturday October 31, 2020 @08:38AM (#24950929)
And the other side attacked actual Jews with rocks and bottles recently. What, that's not "your side"? Neither are those guys "their side".
Re:New political polarization casts rivals as alien, unlikab... by ulucs on Saturday October 31, 2020 @09:08AM (#24951136)
What happened? Antifa?
Re:New political polarization casts rivals as alien, unlikab... by souprock on Saturday October 31, 2020 @09:33AM (#24951331)
On October 25th, in New York City, a miles-long parade of Jewish Trump supporters got attacked. The usual offensive words were said.
Re:New political polarization casts rivals as alien, unlikab... by empthought on Saturday October 31, 2020 @09:38AM (#24951371)
Were they Nazis doing counter protesting? No? Then this is not relevant to the conversation.

The point is that associating one political party in particular with fascist and white supremacist views is not an exaggeration; one party’s leader embraces them as “very fine people.”

Re:New political polarization casts rivals as alien, unlikab... by mnd999 on Saturday October 31, 2020 @08:17AM (#24950796)
I think most people on both “sides” find that unacceptable.
Re:New political polarization casts rivals as alien, unlikab... by empthought on Saturday October 31, 2020 @09:21AM (#24951241)
They do not.

Only one American political party needs white supremacist votes in order to be elected. Only one.

Re:New political polarization casts rivals as alien, unlikab... by bsenftner on Saturday October 31, 2020 @08:31AM (#24950877)
Than why have the GOP not not denounced them? Their silence is approval of the Nazis.
Re:New political polarization casts rivals as alien, unlikab... by knaq on Saturday October 31, 2020 @08:42AM (#24950949)
It's time for a fact check: https://finepeople.org/

The short video at the bottom of the page is particularly interesting.

Re:New political polarization casts rivals as alien, unlikab... by aetimmes on Saturday October 31, 2020 @08:36AM (#24950908)
But (at least in the US) the leader of one side doesn't - not enough to condemn it.