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Re:New nuclear plant at Sizewell set for green light by roenxi on Friday October 30, 2020 @08:51PM (#24948189)
> The others are already over budget and behind schedule

The reason why is important though. Is it because of:

1) Political issues, where the government has set up incentives for the builder to lie?

2) Social issues, where environmentalists attack the project to drive up costs?

It seems unbelievable to me that nuclear plant planners are unable to plan because ... dunno, maybe they hear nuclear and lose the ability to add numbers. There has to be something else going on. Planning is relatively easy once there are 1-2 historical projects to look at.

My experience with energy markets is governments proactively screw them up for reasons I cannot discern. For some reason guaranteed profits is a common standard in Australia which for the life of me I do not understand. Which idiot thinks that is clever? The UK might be doing something similarly stupid.

Re:New nuclear plant at Sizewell set for green light by Jedd on Friday October 30, 2020 @11:29PM (#24948938)
There may well be other contributing factors than the quite narrow two you offer.

Reading some of Jeremy Leggett's analysis of nuclear in the region, notably Flamanville and Hinkley, is highly enlightening.

From inability to plan or produce sufficiently high quality components, and then challenges getting them into place without damaging them, low quality work being undertaken in the construction process [1], government hiding details of contractual arrangements, a consistent (and predicted) drop in the price of power before and through the lives of these projects, industry players being painted into a corner where they must [try to] grow their business despite the above [2], combined with a surfeit of hubris all round.

[1] https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/apr/10/edf-warns-o...

[2] https://jeremyleggett.net/2016/06/03/the-nuclear-white-eleph...

Re:New nuclear plant at Sizewell set for green light by Krasnol on Saturday October 31, 2020 @05:14AM (#24950009)
It's astonishing how decades into nuclear energy, there are still people who attempt to shift the blame for this over budget and behind schedule technology on somebody else.

You have literally nothing in your hands but it still won't stop you from blaming the government (which blindly throws money on it) and "environmentalists" (which obviously failed or those projects would not have started).

This is hilarious.

Re:New nuclear plant at Sizewell set for green light by pasabagi on Friday October 30, 2020 @09:10PM (#24948282)
Construction projects are inherently unpredictable, because it's building something large, bespoke, and in constantly varying conditions. Nuclear plants are very complex, so that obviously raises the level of unpredictability.

Every manufactured object has an insanely long and convoluted dependency chain, where each link is subject to disappearance due to factors completely out of your control. Especially objects that require special or unusual parts.

Then there's actually building the thing, which can go wrong for a million reasons before you've even reached the grand and rolling lands of human error.

Re:New nuclear plant at Sizewell set for green light by roenxi on Friday October 30, 2020 @10:04PM (#24948585)
Article says:

"However, the BBC understands that the fact Sizewell C is a carbon copy of Hinkley - which has seen work on a second reactor there completed 30% more quickly than the first - is thought to have substantially mitigated that risk."

It sounds like it should be pretty easy to budget for this plant. Plans are allowed to include a 20% "we don't know what this is going to be spent on but something will come up" for surprises.

Re:New nuclear plant at Sizewell set for green light by pfdietz on Friday October 30, 2020 @11:57PM (#24949023)
> Construction projects are inherently unpredictable

And yet, renewable projects typically come in within 10% of the contracted price.

Re:New nuclear plant at Sizewell set for green light by imtringued on Saturday October 31, 2020 @06:39AM (#24950335)
If each solar farm consisted of one giant solar panel I'm sure we would see exactly the same problem. In reality building a solar farm involves redoing one simple step over and over again. It's much easier to scale up.
Re:New nuclear plant at Sizewell set for green light by onion2k on Saturday October 31, 2020 @02:50AM (#24949606)
Offshore windfarms cost billions. A 10% overspend is quite significant.
Re:New nuclear plant at Sizewell set for green light by pfdietz on Saturday October 31, 2020 @08:19AM (#24950806)
Much better than a 300% overspend. Any renewable project that is going in that direction would be cancelled. Not only are renewables easier to build in small modules, but the staged build-out allows any problems (like, bad cost estimates) to be identified and fixed (or aborted).

The modular nature of renewables also allows them to be much more resilient in the face of component failure, or in face of construction errors (with the exception of common mode design failures). This means they can be installed with less skilled labor that makes more mistakes.

Renewable fields are akin to server farms w. large numbers of replaceable blades. Nuclear plants are like mainframes.

Re:New nuclear plant at Sizewell set for green light by 7952 on Saturday October 31, 2020 @04:35AM (#24949899)
Planning is not easy. There is an Omega Tau Podcast called "why mega projects fail" [1] which is a good explanation. Bias is a serious problem in decision making.

[1] https://omegataupodcast.net/181-why-megaprojects-fail-and-wh...

Re:New nuclear plant at Sizewell set for green light by jnxx on Saturday October 31, 2020 @01:38PM (#24953477)
It must be the environmentalists! You must have heard that the US, the UK, and France has been run by environmentalists for the last 40 years!! /s